From slavikg at gmail.com  Sat Oct  4 19:53:54 2008
From: slavikg at gmail.com (Slavik Goltser)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:53:54 -0400
Subject: UT3 Linux progress.
Message-ID: <3a6ee9a80810041653i43513c13h3b44eedd7bc7500a@mail.gmail.com>

I have been off the list for a while, but have seen an article on
phoronix.com which showed UT3 running in Ubuntu and Mac OS X. I just wanted
to ask if there were any more updates or if a beta client has been posted?
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From rakeron at gmail.com  Sat Oct  4 20:49:20 2008
From: rakeron at gmail.com (Ron Overdrive)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 20:49:20 -0400
Subject: [ut3] UT3 Linux progress.
In-Reply-To: <3a6ee9a80810041653i43513c13h3b44eedd7bc7500a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3a6ee9a80810041653i43513c13h3b44eedd7bc7500a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4efaf9590810041749i2b4d1c27we1f88033cb58be62@mail.gmail.com>

Nope nothing yet, just those teaser pics.

On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 7:53 PM, Slavik Goltser <slavikg at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have been off the list for a while, but have seen an article on
> phoronix.com which showed UT3 running in Ubuntu and Mac OS X. I just
> wanted to ask if there were any more updates or if a beta client has been
> posted?
>
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From dean at fragfest.com.au  Sat Oct  4 21:35:39 2008
From: dean at fragfest.com.au (Dean Hamstead)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 11:35:39 +1000
Subject: [ut3] UT3 Linux progress.
In-Reply-To: <3a6ee9a80810041653i43513c13h3b44eedd7bc7500a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3a6ee9a80810041653i43513c13h3b44eedd7bc7500a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48E819EB.3020606@fragfest.com.au>

those pics were in ryans previous .plan

some forum was saying this month, but who knows.

nevertheless, the day ut3 for linux is out i will be heading down to my 
local retailer, buying ut3, taking a photo of myself doing so then 
mailing it epic with an accompanying explanation letter.

Dean

Slavik Goltser wrote:
> I have been off the list for a while, but have seen an article on 
> phoronix.com <http://phoronix.com> which showed UT3 running in Ubuntu 
> and Mac OS X. I just wanted to ask if there were any more updates or if 
> a beta client has been posted?



From mcbride_m_l at cox.net  Sun Oct  5 22:21:40 2008
From: mcbride_m_l at cox.net (mcbride_m_l at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 22:21:40 -0400
Subject: [ut3] UT3 Linux progress.
In-Reply-To: <48E819EB.3020606@fragfest.com.au>
Message-ID: <20081005222140.OT6XJ.12887.imail@eastrmwml38>


Dean:
I hope I'm sending this to the (or a) right person - I'm still a bit confused by the icculus.org structure. In any event, my question is about the Linux UT3 server. In particular, are there any issues running it on a 64 bit linux system (in particular, Fedora Core 9 64bit)?
Thanks,
Mike

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From dean at fragfest.com.au  Sun Oct  5 23:31:16 2008
From: dean at fragfest.com.au (Dean Hamstead)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 13:31:16 +1000
Subject: [ut3] UT3 Linux progress.
In-Reply-To: <20081005222140.OT6XJ.12887.imail@eastrmwml38>
References: <20081005222140.OT6XJ.12887.imail@eastrmwml38>
Message-ID: <48E98684.2070907@fragfest.com.au>

32bit binaries should run in an x86_64 type system assuming you have the 
necessary 32bit libraries installed

afaik ut3 has native 64bit server binaries which may perform better on a 
64bit system (but are obviously useless on a 32bit system)


Dean

mcbride_m_l at cox.net wrote:
> 
> 
> Dean:
> 
> I hope I'm sending this to the (or a) right person - I'm still a bit 
> confused by the icculus.org structure. In any event, my question is 
> about the Linux UT3 server. In particular, are there any issues running 
> it on a 64 bit linux system (in particular, Fedora Core 9 64bit)?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mike
> 


From devel at strangeworld.com  Mon Oct  6 00:21:26 2008
From: devel at strangeworld.com (Panther)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 21:21:26 -0700
Subject: [ut3] UT3 Linux progress.
Message-ID: <48E99246.3050903@strangeworld.com>

I'm running the UT3 Linux server version 1.3 (latest) on CentOS 5.2 
64-bit without any problems (after removing some problem mutators).


mcbride_m_l at cox.net wrote:
 >
 > Dean:
 >
 > I hope I'm sending this to the (or a) right person - I'm still a bit 
confused by the icculus.org structure. In any event, my question is 
about the Linux UT3 server. In particular, are there any issues running 
it on a 64 bit linux system (in particular, Fedora Core 9 64bit)?
 >
 > Thanks,
 >
 > Mike
 >



From mcbride_m_l at cox.net  Mon Oct  6 21:26:09 2008
From: mcbride_m_l at cox.net (Michael McBride)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 21:26:09 -0400
Subject: [ut3] UT3 Linux progress.
In-Reply-To: <48E99246.3050903@strangeworld.com>
References: <48E99246.3050903@strangeworld.com>
Message-ID: <004d01c9281b$ade62920$09b27b60$@net>

Thanks - this is the first time I've done this so I wanted to make sure I
wasn't going to be chasing my tail over this problem.

-----Original Message-----
From: Panther [mailto:devel at strangeworld.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 12:21 AM
To: ut3 at icculus.org
Subject: Re: [ut3] UT3 Linux progress.

I'm running the UT3 Linux server version 1.3 (latest) on CentOS 5.2 
64-bit without any problems (after removing some problem mutators).


mcbride_m_l at cox.net wrote:
 >
 > Dean:
 >
 > I hope I'm sending this to the (or a) right person - I'm still a bit 
confused by the icculus.org structure. In any event, my question is 
about the Linux UT3 server. In particular, are there any issues running 
it on a 64 bit linux system (in particular, Fedora Core 9 64bit)?
 >
 > Thanks,
 >
 > Mike
 >


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From mcbride_m_l at cox.net  Mon Oct  6 21:28:30 2008
From: mcbride_m_l at cox.net (Michael McBride)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 21:28:30 -0400
Subject: [ut3] UT3 Linux progress.
In-Reply-To: <48E98684.2070907@fragfest.com.au>
References: <20081005222140.OT6XJ.12887.imail@eastrmwml38> <48E98684.2070907@fragfest.com.au>
Message-ID: <004e01c9281c$01950af0$04bf20d0$@net>

Dean:

As far as you know, is the 64 bit code included in the standard download or do I have to look in some other location?  I didn't see any 32/64 bit indication when I downloaded it.  I assume the documentation is in the download package (right?).

Thanks again,
Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Dean Hamstead [mailto:dean at fragfest.com.au] 
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 11:31 PM
To: mike at tormark.com
Cc: ut3 at icculus.org
Subject: Re: [ut3] UT3 Linux progress.

32bit binaries should run in an x86_64 type system assuming you have the 
necessary 32bit libraries installed

afaik ut3 has native 64bit server binaries which may perform better on a 
64bit system (but are obviously useless on a 32bit system)


Dean

mcbride_m_l at cox.net wrote:
> 
> 
> Dean:
> 
> I hope I'm sending this to the (or a) right person - I'm still a bit 
> confused by the icculus.org structure. In any event, my question is 
> about the Linux UT3 server. In particular, are there any issues running 
> it on a 64 bit linux system (in particular, Fedora Core 9 64bit)?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mike
> 

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From rakeron at gmail.com  Mon Oct  6 21:40:48 2008
From: rakeron at gmail.com (Ron Overdrive)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 21:40:48 -0400
Subject: linux editor
Message-ID: <4efaf9590810061840r754cb6adib5b33e87e24de0d9@mail.gmail.com>

Quick question for Ryan or anyone else who can answer this, but will the
linux editor come with any kind of PS3 support?
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From devel at strangeworld.com  Mon Oct  6 23:20:46 2008
From: devel at strangeworld.com (Panther)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:20:46 -0700
Subject: [ut3] UT3 Linux progress.
In-Reply-To: <004e01c9281c$01950af0$04bf20d0$@net>
References: <20081005222140.OT6XJ.12887.imail@eastrmwml38> <48E98684.2070907@fragfest.com.au> <004e01c9281c$01950af0$04bf20d0$@net>
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From loezix at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 07:24:17 2008
From: loezix at gmail.com (Luiz Gustavo Angelo)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 08:24:17 -0300
Subject: [ut3] linux editor
In-Reply-To: <4efaf9590810061840r754cb6adib5b33e87e24de0d9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4efaf9590810061840r754cb6adib5b33e87e24de0d9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <92e59dd80810070424w23924abn6f62190b10581ac0@mail.gmail.com>

we haven't put the hands on the game yet...calm down
personally i don't think that we would see an editor for linux...

On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Ron Overdrive <rakeron at gmail.com> wrote:

> Quick question for Ryan or anyone else who can answer this, but will the
> linux editor come with any kind of PS3 support?
>



-- 
Luiz Gustavo Angelo
T: +55 11 75452244
------------------------------
Tudo pode ser verdade e se tornar verdade, atrav?s do foco na vis?o correta,
atrav?s da for?a correta e a??o correta, para o alvo correto
Everything can be true and become true, through a focusing of the right
vision, though the right force and right action, to the right goal.
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From rakeron at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 10:32:40 2008
From: rakeron at gmail.com (Ron Overdrive)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:32:40 -0400
Subject: [ut3] linux editor
In-Reply-To: <92e59dd80810070424w23924abn6f62190b10581ac0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4efaf9590810061840r754cb6adib5b33e87e24de0d9@mail.gmail.com>
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Official news along with the screen shots of the linux & mac clients is that
the linux version of UnrealEd would be bundled with it. I just wanted to
know if there's any word that it would come with PS3 support or if there
will be an add-on tool set like they do for Windows. I've pretty much given
up on the linux version, even though I have the Collectors Edition sitting
on my shelf, and picked up a used copy for my PS3. Community add-ons, key
board & mouse support, and PC server support pretty much makes it a good
alternative if you have a PS3.

On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Luiz Gustavo Angelo <loezix at gmail.com>wrote:

> we haven't put the hands on the game yet...calm down
> personally i don't think that we would see an editor for linux...
>
> On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Ron Overdrive <rakeron at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Quick question for Ryan or anyone else who can answer this, but will the
>> linux editor come with any kind of PS3 support?
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Luiz Gustavo Angelo
> T: +55 11 75452244
> ------------------------------
> Tudo pode ser verdade e se tornar verdade, atrav?s do foco na vis?o
> correta, atrav?s da for?a correta e a??o correta, para o alvo correto
> Everything can be true and become true, through a focusing of the right
> vision, though the right force and right action, to the right goal.
>
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From loezix at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 10:46:52 2008
From: loezix at gmail.com (Luiz Gustavo Angelo)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:46:52 -0300
Subject: [ut3] linux editor
In-Reply-To: <4efaf9590810070732j21e0c10cm475548cd26af7952@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4efaf9590810061840r754cb6adib5b33e87e24de0d9@mail.gmail.com>
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geeee, man...
guess i'm not a believer of these official news anymore...sry
Are they recent?, i haven't heard anything about UnrealED for linux in 10
months i think

whatever, i hope that they ship a cool mono/gtk+ unrealED that doesn't crash
everytime while using the UIScene Editor with big UIs, before november

well, back to work, gotta lot of things to do xD

On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Ron Overdrive <rakeron at gmail.com> wrote:

> Official news along with the screen shots of the linux & mac clients is
> that the linux version of UnrealEd would be bundled with it. I just wanted
> to know if there's any word that it would come with PS3 support or if there
> will be an add-on tool set like they do for Windows. I've pretty much given
> up on the linux version, even though I have the Collectors Edition sitting
> on my shelf, and picked up a used copy for my PS3. Community add-ons, key
> board & mouse support, and PC server support pretty much makes it a good
> alternative if you have a PS3.
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Luiz Gustavo Angelo <loezix at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> we haven't put the hands on the game yet...calm down
>> personally i don't think that we would see an editor for linux...
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Ron Overdrive <rakeron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Quick question for Ryan or anyone else who can answer this, but will the
>>> linux editor come with any kind of PS3 support?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Luiz Gustavo Angelo
>> T: +55 11 75452244
>> ------------------------------
>> Tudo pode ser verdade e se tornar verdade, atrav?s do foco na vis?o
>> correta, atrav?s da for?a correta e a??o correta, para o alvo correto
>> Everything can be true and become true, through a focusing of the right
>> vision, though the right force and right action, to the right goal.
>>
>
>


-- 
Luiz Gustavo Angelo
T: +55 11 75452244
------------------------------
Tudo pode ser verdade e se tornar verdade, atrav?s do foco na vis?o correta,
atrav?s da for?a correta e a??o correta, para o alvo correto
Everything can be true and become true, through a focusing of the right
vision, though the right force and right action, to the right goal.
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From keithzg at gmail.com  Wed Oct  8 18:17:44 2008
From: keithzg at gmail.com (Keith Z-G)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 16:17:44 -0600
Subject: [ut3] linux editor
In-Reply-To: <92e59dd80810070746q1edab017x71331367a1496a31@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4efaf9590810061840r754cb6adib5b33e87e24de0d9@mail.gmail.com>
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Last I heard it was all based on wxWidgets, so likely gtk+ although I
don't know enough to speculate on mono.  But I'm surprised no one has
brought this up yet:

http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showpost.php?p=45851&postcount=362

That would give recent hope for the editor.

On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:46 AM, Luiz Gustavo Angelo <loezix at gmail.com> wrote:
> geeee, man...
> guess i'm not a believer of these official news anymore...sry
> Are they recent?, i haven't heard anything about UnrealED for linux in 10
> months i think
>
> whatever, i hope that they ship a cool mono/gtk+ unrealED that doesn't crash
> everytime while using the UIScene Editor with big UIs, before november
>
> well, back to work, gotta lot of things to do xD
>
> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Ron Overdrive <rakeron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Official news along with the screen shots of the linux & mac clients is
>> that the linux version of UnrealEd would be bundled with it. I just wanted
>> to know if there's any word that it would come with PS3 support or if there
>> will be an add-on tool set like they do for Windows. I've pretty much given
>> up on the linux version, even though I have the Collectors Edition sitting
>> on my shelf, and picked up a used copy for my PS3. Community add-ons, key
>> board & mouse support, and PC server support pretty much makes it a good
>> alternative if you have a PS3.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Luiz Gustavo Angelo <loezix at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> we haven't put the hands on the game yet...calm down
>>> personally i don't think that we would see an editor for linux...
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Ron Overdrive <rakeron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Quick question for Ryan or anyone else who can answer this, but will the
>>>> linux editor come with any kind of PS3 support?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Luiz Gustavo Angelo
>>> T: +55 11 75452244
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Tudo pode ser verdade e se tornar verdade, atrav?s do foco na vis?o
>>> correta, atrav?s da for?a correta e a??o correta, para o alvo correto
>>> Everything can be true and become true, through a focusing of the right
>>> vision, though the right force and right action, to the right goal.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Luiz Gustavo Angelo
> T: +55 11 75452244
> ------------------------------
> Tudo pode ser verdade e se tornar verdade, atrav?s do foco na vis?o correta,
> atrav?s da for?a correta e a??o correta, para o alvo correto
> Everything can be true and become true, through a focusing of the right
> vision, though the right force and right action, to the right goal.
>


From shadow at s-i-g-m-a.net  Wed Oct  8 23:43:54 2008
From: shadow at s-i-g-m-a.net (UndeadDevil's Shadow)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:43:54 -0700
Subject: [ut3] linux editor
In-Reply-To: <1a2851610810081517h3f7930f8u70650b663ea7dfa0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4efaf9590810061840r754cb6adib5b33e87e24de0d9@mail.gmail.com>
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Do you guys honestly still hold hope of any Linux version of UT3 and its Editor (Or even a 64-bit Dedicated Server) happening?
*I ask seriously to get your guys/girls general opinion*

Only my personal opinion, but it seems pretty clear Epic doesn't want anything to do with PC Gaming anymore, it's all Consoles, Consoles, Glories ol' 4 year out of date Console Hardware these days... (Just like soo many other company's are starting to do, Do they not realise no advance PC Games = No New Console Hardware? Are they really that stupid? nVidia and ATi both Live and Work off PC Games!) Both ATi and nVidia provide the 3D Chips in Current *Previous* Gen Consoles

They still haven't given the Windows PC Version a decent UI, etc... (I really don't want to pick faults in a game I enjoy playing already so will not say anymore *Yes I run it in Windows*)

We had the UT3 Demo a year ago now, I know Ryan isn't the hold up here (He's always got ever port done on time, at least from what I've seen *Example: UT2004! - Linux Installer was included when Shipped, Remember we were originally told the Linux UT3 Client Installer would ship on the DVD*)

A year for something that was promised on the Install Disk and still no more news *Although we hope it'll be out in the next 6 Months thanks to uBuntu Screenshots, etc* = Taking the Mick.

Please RYAN, Tell us who the hell has caused all this MESS! Please name and shame. Is it Microsoft?! I see no one else who wants to stop Linux Gaming...

My Main Point is UT3 is available for Mac OSX which is *nix (OpenGL, blah blah) so *almost* everything on the Linux version is obviously done! Who is holding the Linux Version from us??!

Hopefully awaiting the Legal Issues to end sometime...,
Someone who bought UT3 2 days after release thanks to the promise of a Linux Client :(,
UndeadD3vi1



From shadow at s-i-g-m-a.net  Thu Oct  9 00:01:44 2008
From: shadow at s-i-g-m-a.net (UndeadDevil's Shadow)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 21:01:44 -0700
Subject: [ut3] linux editor
In-Reply-To: <BAFE160F2C45A442BA541467D99A50D94B1D9A08FE@EXVMBX016-2.exch016.msoutlookonline.net>
References: <4efaf9590810061840r754cb6adib5b33e87e24de0d9@mail.gmail.com>
	 <92e59dd80810070424w23924abn6f62190b10581ac0@mail.gmail.com>
	 <4efaf9590810070732j21e0c10cm475548cd26af7952@mail.gmail.com>
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It's a shame you can't edit your messages when its e-mail...

My bad about the Mac Version, most sites are listing it as coming soon so I assume its connected to the Linux Version.

One has to wonder whether this is like the whole Grand Theft Auto games must be released at least 6 Months Later than Consoles deal that both Microsoft and Sony make with every game developer they can bribe (We all agree on this correct?)

-----Original Message-----
From: UndeadDevil's Shadow [mailto:shadow at s-i-g-m-a.net]
Sent: 09 October 2008 04:44
To: ut3 at icculus.org
Subject: RE: [ut3] linux editor

Do you guys honestly still hold hope of any Linux version of UT3 and its Editor (Or even a 64-bit Dedicated Server) happening?
*I ask seriously to get your guys/girls general opinion*

Only my personal opinion, but it seems pretty clear Epic doesn't want anything to do with PC Gaming anymore, it's all Consoles, Consoles, Glories ol' 4 year out of date Console Hardware these days... (Just like soo many other company's are starting to do, Do they not realise no advance PC Games = No New Console Hardware? Are they really that stupid? nVidia and ATi both Live and Work off PC Games!) Both ATi and nVidia provide the 3D Chips in Current *Previous* Gen Consoles

They still haven't given the Windows PC Version a decent UI, etc... (I really don't want to pick faults in a game I enjoy playing already so will not say anymore *Yes I run it in Windows*)

We had the UT3 Demo a year ago now, I know Ryan isn't the hold up here (He's always got ever port done on time, at least from what I've seen *Example: UT2004! - Linux Installer was included when Shipped, Remember we were originally told the Linux UT3 Client Installer would ship on the DVD*)

A year for something that was promised on the Install Disk and still no more news *Although we hope it'll be out in the next 6 Months thanks to uBuntu Screenshots, etc* = Taking the Mick.

Please RYAN, Tell us who the hell has caused all this MESS! Please name and shame. Is it Microsoft?! I see no one else who wants to stop Linux Gaming...

My Main Point is UT3 is available for Mac OSX which is *nix (OpenGL, blah blah) so *almost* everything on the Linux version is obviously done! Who is holding the Linux Version from us??!

Hopefully awaiting the Legal Issues to end sometime...,
Someone who bought UT3 2 days after release thanks to the promise of a Linux Client :(,
UndeadD3vi1


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From rushpl at gmail.com  Thu Oct  9 01:28:33 2008
From: rushpl at gmail.com (Damian Kaczmarek)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 07:28:33 +0200
Subject: [ut3] linux editor
In-Reply-To: <BAFE160F2C45A442BA541467D99A50D94B1D9A0900@EXVMBX016-2.exch016.msoutlookonline.net>
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Tomatoe. Period.


From jeffj at toggi3.com  Thu Oct  9 01:28:39 2008
From: jeffj at toggi3.com (jeff)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 01:28:39 -0400
Subject: [ut3] linux editor
In-Reply-To: <BAFE160F2C45A442BA541467D99A50D94B1D9A0900@EXVMBX016-2.exch016.msoutlookonline.net>
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I think its fair enough to say we deserve to know who blocked this, so 
we know specifically who to avoid in the future.  Please consider 
dropping that info by at some point, give us something, a hint, a 
development screenshot with the logo in question of the middleware 
provider?  something embedded in the binaries when it releases?  
anything will do.

Ryan, I understand you probably have to keep a tight lip on it, but I am 
sure theres a way for you to leak this info out.


From marix at marix.org  Thu Oct  9 04:32:03 2008
From: marix at marix.org (Matthias Bach)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:32:03 +0200
Subject: [ut3] linux editor
In-Reply-To: <48ED9687.2050608@toggi3.com>
References: <4efaf9590810061840r754cb6adib5b33e87e24de0d9@mail.gmail.com> <BAFE160F2C45A442BA541467D99A50D94B1D9A0900@EXVMBX016-2.exch016.msoutlookonline.net> <48ED9687.2050608@toggi3.com>
Message-ID: <200810091032.05632.marix@marix.org>

Hi!

Am Donnerstag 09 Oktober 2008 schrieb jeff:
> I think its fair enough to say we deserve to know who blocked this, so
> we know specifically who to avoid in the future.

Well, I know I will avoid Epic in the future.

Regards,
Matthias
-- 
Matthias Bach
www.marix.org

?Der einzige Weg, die Grenzen des M?glichen zu finden, ist ein klein wenig
 ?ber diese hinaus in das Unm?gliche vorzusto?en.? - Arthur C. Clarke
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From js-ut3 at webkeks.org  Thu Oct  9 00:31:10 2008
From: js-ut3 at webkeks.org (Jonathan Schleifer)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 06:31:10 +0200
Subject: [ut3] linux editor
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Oh please, we had this so many times, everybody statd his opinion now  
- can we please let this thread silently die before we get another  
useless thread only full of spam? Thanks?

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From k.podbielniak at gmail.com  Thu Oct  9 08:51:13 2008
From: k.podbielniak at gmail.com (Kevin Podbielniak)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 08:51:13 -0400
Subject: [ut3] linux editor
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In all honesty, the more I read about game developers not putting out ports
on the PC, or delaying them severely, due to piracy is potentially the real
issue.  And to be honest, I doubt we will see games on the PC platform in
the near future.

I read a post saying that Epic is not putting out Gears 2 on PC due to this,
as well as other developers.

And to be honest, if developers only had consoles to worry about for games,
think how much better their games would run, as they can optimize the shizit
out of the game for hardware platform xyz, and not worry about optimizing it
for "xyz" but also for "abc" "def" "ghi", etc.

The only PC games my mates now play are MMO's, all other games are on
consoles.

--k


On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 1:28 AM, jeff <jeffj at toggi3.com> wrote:

> I think its fair enough to say we deserve to know who blocked this, so we
> know specifically who to avoid in the future.  Please consider dropping that
> info by at some point, give us something, a hint, a development screenshot
> with the logo in question of the middleware provider?  something embedded in
> the binaries when it releases?  anything will do.
>
> Ryan, I understand you probably have to keep a tight lip on it, but I am
> sure theres a way for you to leak this info out.
>
>
> ---
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From marix at marix.org  Thu Oct  9 09:02:23 2008
From: marix at marix.org (Matthias Bach)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:02:23 +0200
Subject: [ut3] linux editor
In-Reply-To: <743177460810090551y29114d3cvbd09cc823b276479@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4efaf9590810061840r754cb6adib5b33e87e24de0d9@mail.gmail.com> <48ED9687.2050608@toggi3.com> <743177460810090551y29114d3cvbd09cc823b276479@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200810091502.26302.marix@marix.org>

Hi!

Am Do Oktober 9 2008 schrieb Kevin Podbielniak:
> And to be honest, if developers only had consoles to worry about for games,
> think how much better their games would run, as they can optimize the
> shizit out of the game for hardware platform xyz, and not worry about
> optimizing it for "xyz" but also for "abc" "def" "ghi", etc.

Well, if a console had the capabilities a C64 had it would be an 
alternative ...

Regards,
Matthias
-- 
Matthias Bach - www.marix.org

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From chameleonator at gmail.com  Thu Oct  9 09:59:47 2008
From: chameleonator at gmail.com (Matthew Thompson)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 08:59:47 -0500
Subject: [ut3] linux editor
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On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 7:51 AM, Kevin Podbielniak
<k.podbielniak at gmail.com>wrote:

> The only PC games my mates now play are MMO's, all other games are on
> consoles.
>


See http://store.steampowered.com/stats/ . Valve Software isn't going to go
console-only anytime in the near future.

As for myself, I wouldn't mind playing games on a console so much if it
weren't for the horrible control schemes (especially for FPS games) and the
fact that they charge for updates and more content. Anybody remember
downloading ~400 mb of new content for UT04? I sure do, and I wouldn't have
gotten it if it costed $20.

Matt
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From rakeron at gmail.com  Thu Oct  9 10:06:00 2008
From: rakeron at gmail.com (Ron Overdrive)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:06:00 -0400
Subject: [ut3] linux editor
In-Reply-To: <200810091502.26302.marix@marix.org>
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Oh would you people STFU! We heard ALL your opinions of Epic and every other
company in your conspiracy theories that caused UT3's linux/mac delay plus
all your demands of Ryan to expose the guilty party! STFU NO ONE CARES FOR
YOUR CONSPIRACY THEORIES!!! Go in the corner with your tin foil hats and
stay there. If you can't provide helpful information regarding -THE QUESTION
I ASKED- then don't post and quit hijacking my thread!!

With that said if you don't know if PS3 support will be brought to linux/mac
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From k.podbielniak at gmail.com  Thu Oct  9 10:14:45 2008
From: k.podbielniak at gmail.com (Kevin Podbielniak)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:14:45 -0400
Subject: [ut3] linux editor
In-Reply-To: <4efaf9590810090706p56c85618m789d96a82ba61d05@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4efaf9590810061840r754cb6adib5b33e87e24de0d9@mail.gmail.com>
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	 <743177460810090551y29114d3cvbd09cc823b276479@mail.gmail.com>
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Unfortunately, there is NO information yet available for Linux/Mac support,
hence the reason the question has not been answered.

The last information we got from ryan are 2 screenshots of UT3 running on
linux and a Mac, and that is it.

There will all be conspiracy theories out there, and I am just patiently
waiting like everyone else.  Is it on the top of my list these days, no, but
I still have my shrink wrapped copy of UT3 sitting in a drawer STILL in the
original GameStop bag from when I bought it almost a year ago...when I was
unemployed.

Ah yes, the good old days.  speaking of, it was almost a year ago when the
UT3 demo was released, and on that very same day, after I downloaded it and
copied it to a flash drive, my company let me go.  bastards.  :)



On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Ron Overdrive <rakeron at gmail.com> wrote:

> Oh would you people STFU! We heard ALL your opinions of Epic and every
> other company in your conspiracy theories that caused UT3's linux/mac delay
> plus all your demands of Ryan to expose the guilty party! STFU NO ONE CARES
> FOR YOUR CONSPIRACY THEORIES!!! Go in the corner with your tin foil hats and
> stay there. If you can't provide helpful information regarding -THE QUESTION
> I ASKED- then don't post and quit hijacking my thread!!
>
> With that said if you don't know if PS3 support will be brought to
> linux/mac as well then don't post!!
>
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From jcollins at asgardsrealm.net  Thu Oct  9 10:15:24 2008
From: jcollins at asgardsrealm.net (Jamin W. Collins)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 10:15:24 -0400
Subject: additional game content, was: linux editor
In-Reply-To: <122c1d130810090659s17101e1tec8aa7bd68125774@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4efaf9590810061840r754cb6adib5b33e87e24de0d9@mail.gmail.com>	 <92e59dd80810070424w23924abn6f62190b10581ac0@mail.gmail.com>	 <4efaf9590810070732j21e0c10cm475548cd26af7952@mail.gmail.com>	 <92e59dd80810070746q1edab017x71331367a1496a31@mail.gmail.com>	 <1a2851610810081517h3f7930f8u70650b663ea7dfa0@mail.gmail.com>	 <BAFE160F2C45A442BA541467D99A50D94B1D9A08FE@EXVMBX016-2.exch016.msoutlookonline.net>	 <BAFE160F2C45A442BA541467D99A50D94B1D9A0900@EXVMBX016-2.exch016.msoutlookonline.net>	 <48ED9687.2050608@toggi3.com>	 <743177460810090551y29114d3cvbd09cc823b276479@mail.gmail.com> <122c1d130810090659s17101e1tec8aa7bd68125774@mail.gmail.com>
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Matthew Thompson wrote:
> 
> As for myself, I wouldn't mind playing games on a console so much if it 
> weren't for the horrible control schemes (especially for FPS games) and 
> the fact that they charge for updates and more content. Anybody remember 
> downloading ~400 mb of new content for UT04? I sure do, and I wouldn't 
> have gotten it if it costed $20.

Only 400M of content? UT2004 was one of the games I downloaded the most 
content for.  Second only to Neverwinter Nights.  I just checked and the 
files I still have kicking around for it are far more than 400 Meg.  The 
list of maps on our game server alone are more than that.  To say 
nothing of the various community mods for the game.

-- 
Jamin W. Collins


From marix at marix.org  Thu Oct  9 10:53:49 2008
From: marix at marix.org (Matthias Bach)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 16:53:49 +0200
Subject: [ut3] linux editor
In-Reply-To: <4efaf9590810090706p56c85618m789d96a82ba61d05@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4efaf9590810061840r754cb6adib5b33e87e24de0d9@mail.gmail.com> <200810091502.26302.marix@marix.org> <4efaf9590810090706p56c85618m789d96a82ba61d05@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200810091653.51394.marix@marix.org>

Hi!

Am Do Oktober 9 2008 schrieb Ron Overdrive:
> Oh would you people STFU! We heard ALL your opinions of Epic and every
> other company in your conspiracy theories that caused UT3's linux/mac delay
> plus all your demands of Ryan to expose the guilty party! STFU NO ONE CARES
> FOR YOUR CONSPIRACY THEORIES!!! Go in the corner with your tin foil hats
> and stay there. If you can't provide helpful information regarding -THE
> QUESTION I ASKED- then don't post and quit hijacking my thread!!

No reason to use strong language. I did not propose any conspiracy theorie, 
and as you replied to my message I feel talked to. Saying that I will no 
longer support Epic after they failed to deliver for a promised platform and 
me loosing a days work of money on that is not a conspiracy theorie. It's 
what every business man does with a company that didn't deliver on a promise. 
It doesn't even matter who held it up. Epic promises, Epic must make sure to 
deliver, that's how the game works.

Regards,
Matthias
-- 
Matthias Bach - www.marix.org

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From jeffj at toggi3.com  Thu Oct  9 11:39:21 2008
From: jeffj at toggi3.com (jeff)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 11:39:21 -0400
Subject: [ut3] linux editor
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References: <4efaf9590810061840r754cb6adib5b33e87e24de0d9@mail.gmail.com>	 <48ED9687.2050608@toggi3.com>	 <743177460810090551y29114d3cvbd09cc823b276479@mail.gmail.com>	 <200810091502.26302.marix@marix.org> <4efaf9590810090706p56c85618m789d96a82ba61d05@mail.gmail.com>
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Hey

Ron Overdrive wrote:
> Oh would you people STFU! We heard ALL your opinions of Epic and every 
> other company in your conspiracy theories that caused UT3's linux/mac 
> delay plus all your demands of Ryan to expose the guilty party! STFU 
> NO ONE CARES FOR YOUR CONSPIRACY THEORIES!!! Go in the corner with 
> your tin foil hats and stay there. If you can't provide helpful 
> information regarding -THE QUESTION I ASKED- then don't post and quit 
> hijacking my thread!!
>
> With that said if you don't know if PS3 support will be brought to 
> linux/mac as well then don't post!!

First off, they aren't theories, Ryan himself confirmed that there was 
middleware legal trouble that was causing the delay of the game.  It is 
therefore officially confirmed, or at least stated by Ryan that there is 
some plot to block the game, whether its major or minor.  That being 
said how about you know whats going on before bashing people.


From rakeron at gmail.com  Thu Oct  9 12:51:31 2008
From: rakeron at gmail.com (Ron Overdrive)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 12:51:31 -0400
Subject: [ut3] linux editor
In-Reply-To: <48EE25A9.2090803@toggi3.com>
References: <4efaf9590810061840r754cb6adib5b33e87e24de0d9@mail.gmail.com>
	 <48ED9687.2050608@toggi3.com>
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>
> First off, they aren't theories, Ryan himself confirmed that there was
> middleware legal trouble that was causing the delay of the game.  It is
> therefore officially confirmed, or at least stated by Ryan that there is
> some plot to block the game, whether its major or minor.  That being said
> how about you know whats going on before bashing people.
>

They're conspiracy theories when people start pointing fingers at random
companies and create possible motives for those companies without proof or
any supporting information because Ryan can't talk about it. I mean hell,
how many people have been pointing fingers at Microsoft? Did Ryan say who it
was? No he didn't and I doubt he ever will if he wants to keep his job so
people should stop demanding information he can't give and stop with the
conspiracy theories. When it comes out I'm pretty sure the information will
get leaked.
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From xorl at xorl.net  Thu Oct  9 13:05:02 2008
From: xorl at xorl.net (Ryan Lewon)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:05:02 -0700
Subject: [ut3] linux editor
In-Reply-To: <4efaf9590810090951m6f7e84aja298098b3c922e9b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4efaf9590810061840r754cb6adib5b33e87e24de0d9@mail.gmail.com> <48ED9687.2050608@toggi3.com> <743177460810090551y29114d3cvbd09cc823b276479@mail.gmail.com> <200810091502.26302.marix@marix.org> <4efaf9590810090706p56c85618m789d96a82ba61d05@mail.gmail.com> <48EE25A9.2090803@toggi3.com> <4efaf9590810090951m6f7e84aja298098b3c922e9b@mail.gmail.com>
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On Oct 9, 2008, at 9:51 AM, Ron Overdrive wrote:

> First off, they aren't theories, Ryan himself confirmed that there  
> was middleware legal trouble that was causing the delay of the  
> game.  It is therefore officially confirmed, or at least stated by  
> Ryan that there is some plot to block the game, whether its major or  
> minor.  That being said how about you know whats going on before  
> bashing people.
>
> They're conspiracy theories when people start pointing fingers at  
> random companies and create possible motives for those companies  
> without proof or any supporting information because Ryan can't talk  
> about it. I mean hell, how many people have been pointing fingers at  
> Microsoft? Did Ryan say who it was? No he didn't and I doubt he ever  
> will if he wants to keep his job so people should stop demanding  
> information he can't give and stop with the conspiracy theories.  
> When it comes out I'm pretty sure the information will get leaked.
>


While the may not be conspiracy theories, I think you should all chill  
out. This isn't a 16 year old arguement at gamestop over the last copy  
of Halo, let the man (ryan) Do his job and you all will reap the  
benefits when his task is completed. Always keep your expectations low  
but hopes high, that way you'll never be upset with the outcome. It's  
the Linux community we take a slow walk like a turtle versus the  
windows world where it's thrown into the wild. So just take a moment  
to reflect on what you're asking and if you can't wait for Ryan to  
finish it? Well then, that's your own problem...


Ryan Lewon
xorl at xorl.net





From katrina_lefeir at tiscali.it  Thu Oct  9 13:32:57 2008
From: katrina_lefeir at tiscali.it (Katrina)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 19:32:57 +0200
Subject: [ut3] linux editor
In-Reply-To: <4CA0D82A-E17F-4107-9317-2CABDAA31F13@xorl.net>
References: <4efaf9590810061840r754cb6adib5b33e87e24de0d9@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:05:02 -0700
Ryan Lewon <xorl at xorl.net> wrote:

> let the man (ryan) Do his job and you all will reap the  
> benefits when his task is completed.

The eventuality that he ALREADY finished his job (months ago, I'd guess), but
the game is being withheld by someone outside his control doesn't even touch
you?

Well, it should.

- Kate


From kisisten at gmail.com  Thu Oct  9 20:45:49 2008
From: kisisten at gmail.com (Andrew Nady)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 20:45:49 -0400
Subject: [ut3] linux editor
In-Reply-To: <20081009193257.77fcf0da.katrina_lefeir@tiscali.it>
References: <4efaf9590810061840r754cb6adib5b33e87e24de0d9@mail.gmail.com>
	 <48ED9687.2050608@toggi3.com>
	 <743177460810090551y29114d3cvbd09cc823b276479@mail.gmail.com>
	 <200810091502.26302.marix@marix.org>
	 <4efaf9590810090706p56c85618m789d96a82ba61d05@mail.gmail.com>
	 <48EE25A9.2090803@toggi3.com>
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The game is a "Vista", meaning it's a flop and even the Microsoft players
are not playing it. What is the point for a linux client.

Please move on guys.

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Katrina <katrina_lefeir at tiscali.it> wrote:

> On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:05:02 -0700
> Ryan Lewon <xorl at xorl.net> wrote:
>
> > let the man (ryan) Do his job and you all will reap the
> > benefits when his task is completed.
>
> The eventuality that he ALREADY finished his job (months ago, I'd guess),
> but
> the game is being withheld by someone outside his control doesn't even
> touch
> you?
>
> Well, it should.
>
> - Kate
>
> ---
> To unsubscribe, send a blank email to ut3-unsubscribe at icculus.org
> Mailing list archives: http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?64
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From sir.brizz at gmail.com  Thu Oct  9 23:52:27 2008
From: sir.brizz at gmail.com (Sir Brizz)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:52:27 -0600
Subject: [ut3] linux editor
In-Reply-To: <b4bd116f0810091745i4957fda1q4d2214ddd6e4db6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4efaf9590810061840r754cb6adib5b33e87e24de0d9@mail.gmail.com>	 <48ED9687.2050608@toggi3.com>	 <743177460810090551y29114d3cvbd09cc823b276479@mail.gmail.com>	 <200810091502.26302.marix@marix.org>	 <4efaf9590810090706p56c85618m789d96a82ba61d05@mail.gmail.com>	 <48EE25A9.2090803@toggi3.com>	 <4efaf9590810090951m6f7e84aja298098b3c922e9b@mail.gmail.com>	 <4CA0D82A-E17F-4107-9317-2CABDAA31F13@xorl.net>	 <20081009193257.77fcf0da.katrina_lefeir@tiscali.it> <b4bd116f0810091745i4957fda1q4d2214ddd6e4db6@mail.gmail.com>
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And you are on this list.... why?

Brizz

On 10/9/2008 6:45 PM, Andrew Nady wrote:
> The game is a "Vista", meaning it's a flop and even the Microsoft 
> players are not playing it. What is the point for a linux client.
>
> Please move on guys.
>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Katrina <katrina_lefeir at tiscali.it 
> <mailto:katrina_lefeir at tiscali.it>> wrote:
>
>     On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:05:02 -0700
>     Ryan Lewon <xorl at xorl.net <mailto:xorl at xorl.net>> wrote:
>
>     > let the man (ryan) Do his job and you all will reap the
>     > benefits when his task is completed.
>
>     The eventuality that he ALREADY finished his job (months ago, I'd
>     guess), but
>     the game is being withheld by someone outside his control doesn't
>     even touch
>     you?
>
>     Well, it should.
>
>     - Kate
>
>     ---
>     To unsubscribe, send a blank email to ut3-unsubscribe at icculus.org
>     <mailto:ut3-unsubscribe at icculus.org>
>     Mailing list archives: http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?64
>
>
>



From oldkawman at netscape.net  Fri Oct 10 12:25:00 2008
From: oldkawman at netscape.net (oldkawman)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:25:00 -0400
Subject: [ut3] linux editor
In-Reply-To: <20081009193257.77fcf0da.katrina_lefeir@tiscali.it>
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	<48ED9687.2050608@toggi3.com>
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	<200810091502.26302.marix@marix.org>
	<4efaf9590810090706p56c85618m789d96a82ba61d05@mail.gmail.com>
	<48EE25A9.2090803@toggi3.com>
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From loezix at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 13:01:08 2008
From: loezix at gmail.com (Luiz Gustavo Angelo)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:01:08 -0300
Subject: [ut3] linux editor
In-Reply-To: <48EF81DC.5000508@netscape.net>
References: <4efaf9590810061840r754cb6adib5b33e87e24de0d9@mail.gmail.com>
	 <48ED9687.2050608@toggi3.com>
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	 <200810091502.26302.marix@marix.org>
	 <4efaf9590810090706p56c85618m789d96a82ba61d05@mail.gmail.com>
	 <48EE25A9.2090803@toggi3.com>
	 <4efaf9590810090951m6f7e84aja298098b3c922e9b@mail.gmail.com>
	 <4CA0D82A-E17F-4107-9317-2CABDAA31F13@xorl.net>
	 <20081009193257.77fcf0da.katrina_lefeir@tiscali.it>
	 <48EF81DC.5000508@netscape.net>
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lolz, i think it's epic itself hehhe XD - this is unbelievable...

On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 1:25 PM, oldkawman <oldkawman at netscape.net> wrote:

>  From what I remember, from way back months ago, he said had to work around
> the problem. I think it's pretty obvious they needed someone representing
> that middle ware company to sign some sort of release/legal thing who would
> not. I doubt he would name names, he said something like you would not
> believe who it was. I think it's also very likely the reason they would not
> sign the agreement is microsoft.  Microsoft is the puppeteer behind this
> legal problem.
>
>
> Katrina wrote:
>
> On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:05:02 -0700
> Ryan Lewon <xorl at xorl.net> <xorl at xorl.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>  let the man (ryan) Do his job and you all will reap the
> benefits when his task is completed.
>
>
>  The eventuality that he ALREADY finished his job (months ago, I'd guess), but
> the game is being withheld by someone outside his control doesn't even touch
> you?
>
> Well, it should.
>
> - Kate
>
> ---
> To unsubscribe, send a blank email to ut3-unsubscribe at icculus.org
> Mailing list archives: http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?64
>
>
>    --- To unsubscribe, send a blank email to ut3-unsubscribe at icculus.orgMailing list archives:
> http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?64




-- 
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T: +55 11 75452244
------------------------------
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atrav?s da for?a correta e a??o correta, para o alvo correto
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From rakeron at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 13:12:35 2008
From: rakeron at gmail.com (Ron Overdrive)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:12:35 -0400
Subject: [ut3] linux editor
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References: <4efaf9590810061840r754cb6adib5b33e87e24de0d9@mail.gmail.com>
	 <48ED9687.2050608@toggi3.com>
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	 <200810091502.26302.marix@marix.org>
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	 <48EE25A9.2090803@toggi3.com>
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	 <4CA0D82A-E17F-4107-9317-2CABDAA31F13@xorl.net>
	 <20081009193257.77fcf0da.katrina_lefeir@tiscali.it>
	 <48EF81DC.5000508@netscape.net>
Message-ID: <4efaf9590810101012k70d97day18838fb2cede179d@mail.gmail.com>

This is what I meant by conspiracy theories. Sure he said you would not
believe who it was, but with how many people pointing towards Microsoft I
doubt that falls into the category of "not believing." If UT3 was branded
"Games for Windows" yeah I would agree, but its not. Everyone is quick to
point fingers at Microsoft because of their anti-opensource attitude, but
realistically what would MS have to gain by blocking games for Linux?
Nothing! Lets face it, as an OS environment Linux is not friendly for
professional game developers. Linux has far more variations then Windows
ever will, the SDL doesn't quite match up to Direct X, the community itself
doesn't like DRM making copy protection difficult, the community has this
stigma of being opensource/free software only nazis, and our hardware
support isn't up to speed with everyone else. Lets face it, until we get
over our stigma and unify everything about Linux into standard everything
like Windows & Mac do things game devs are scared of us and don't see linux
as a  profitable platform.

On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 12:25 PM, oldkawman <oldkawman at netscape.net> wrote:

>  From what I remember, from way back months ago, he said had to work around
> the problem. I think it's pretty obvious they needed someone representing
> that middle ware company to sign some sort of release/legal thing who would
> not. I doubt he would name names, he said something like you would not
> believe who it was. I think it's also very likely the reason they would not
> sign the agreement is microsoft.  Microsoft is the puppeteer behind this
> legal problem.
>
>
> Katrina wrote:
>
> On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:05:02 -0700
> Ryan Lewon <xorl at xorl.net> <xorl at xorl.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>  let the man (ryan) Do his job and you all will reap the
> benefits when his task is completed.
>
>
>  The eventuality that he ALREADY finished his job (months ago, I'd guess), but
> the game is being withheld by someone outside his control doesn't even touch
> you?
>
> Well, it should.
>
> - Kate
>
> ---
> To unsubscribe, send a blank email to ut3-unsubscribe at icculus.org
> Mailing list archives: http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?64
>
>
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From thor27 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 13:35:49 2008
From: thor27 at gmail.com (Thomaz de Oliveira dos Reis)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:35:49 -0300
Subject: [ut3] linux editor
In-Reply-To: <4efaf9590810101012k70d97day18838fb2cede179d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4efaf9590810061840r754cb6adib5b33e87e24de0d9@mail.gmail.com>
	 <743177460810090551y29114d3cvbd09cc823b276479@mail.gmail.com>
	 <200810091502.26302.marix@marix.org>
	 <4efaf9590810090706p56c85618m789d96a82ba61d05@mail.gmail.com>
	 <48EE25A9.2090803@toggi3.com>
	 <4efaf9590810090951m6f7e84aja298098b3c922e9b@mail.gmail.com>
	 <4CA0D82A-E17F-4107-9317-2CABDAA31F13@xorl.net>
	 <20081009193257.77fcf0da.katrina_lefeir@tiscali.it>
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	 <4efaf9590810101012k70d97day18838fb2cede179d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <13ca66cd0810101035n434c2c33w96cb3d8b87bb6c5d@mail.gmail.com>

I agree with Ron.

Why people still think that Microsoft = Windows ??

Windows is just a Microsoft product and it's not that profitable.

If for some miracle, linux gets bigger than windows in desktop market,
microsoft will just port their products for linux and that it is...




On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Ron Overdrive <rakeron at gmail.com> wrote:
> This is what I meant by conspiracy theories. Sure he said you would not
> believe who it was, but with how many people pointing towards Microsoft I
> doubt that falls into the category of "not believing." If UT3 was branded
> "Games for Windows" yeah I would agree, but its not. Everyone is quick to
> point fingers at Microsoft because of their anti-opensource attitude, but
> realistically what would MS have to gain by blocking games for Linux?
> Nothing! Lets face it, as an OS environment Linux is not friendly for
> professional game developers. Linux has far more variations then Windows
> ever will, the SDL doesn't quite match up to Direct X, the community itself
> doesn't like DRM making copy protection difficult, the community has this
> stigma of being opensource/free software only nazis, and our hardware
> support isn't up to speed with everyone else. Lets face it, until we get
> over our stigma and unify everything about Linux into standard everything
> like Windows & Mac do things game devs are scared of us and don't see linux
> as a  profitable platform.
>
> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 12:25 PM, oldkawman <oldkawman at netscape.net> wrote:
>>
>> From what I remember, from way back months ago, he said had to work around
>> the problem. I think it's pretty obvious they needed someone representing
>> that middle ware company to sign some sort of release/legal thing who would
>> not. I doubt he would name names, he said something like you would not
>> believe who it was. I think it's also very likely the reason they would not
>> sign the agreement is microsoft.  Microsoft is the puppeteer behind this
>> legal problem.
>>
>> Katrina wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:05:02 -0700
>> Ryan Lewon <xorl at xorl.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> let the man (ryan) Do his job and you all will reap the
>> benefits when his task is completed.
>>
>>
>> The eventuality that he ALREADY finished his job (months ago, I'd guess),
>> but
>> the game is being withheld by someone outside his control doesn't even
>> touch
>> you?
>>
>> Well, it should.
>>
>> - Kate
>>
>> ---
>> To unsubscribe, send a blank email to ut3-unsubscribe at icculus.org
>> Mailing list archives: http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?64
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- To unsubscribe, send a blank email to ut3-unsubscribe at icculus.org
>> Mailing list archives: http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?64
>


From spike at spykes.net  Fri Oct 10 13:54:57 2008
From: spike at spykes.net (Brendan Pike)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:54:57 -0400
Subject: [ut3] linux editor
In-Reply-To: <13ca66cd0810101035n434c2c33w96cb3d8b87bb6c5d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4efaf9590810061840r754cb6adib5b33e87e24de0d9@mail.gmail.com>
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	<200810091502.26302.marix@marix.org>
	<4efaf9590810090706p56c85618m789d96a82ba61d05@mail.gmail.com>
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	<20081009193257.77fcf0da.katrina_lefeir@tiscali.it>
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	<13ca66cd0810101035n434c2c33w96cb3d8b87bb6c5d@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:35:49 -0300
"Thomaz de Oliveira dos Reis" <thor27 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree with Ron.
> 
> Why people still think that Microsoft = Windows ??
> 
> Windows is just a Microsoft product and it's not that profitable.
> 
> If for some miracle, linux gets bigger than windows in desktop market,
> microsoft will just port their products for linux and that it is...
> 

As stupid as the whole Microsoft thing sounds it does hold some weight.
The primary place where Unreal Engine 3 is being further developed for
is Gears of War. You'll notice for Gears Of War 2 the engine has been
further improved and from the looks of it is where most of the primary
engine development is taking place. Epic and Microsoft might both hold
rights to the engine itself. Epic is a Gears Of War machine, in
Microsoft's bed.



From aryss.skahara at gmail.com  Sat Oct 11 20:58:37 2008
From: aryss.skahara at gmail.com (Michael "_Lynx" Sokolkov)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 04:58:37 +0400
Subject: [ut3] linux editor
In-Reply-To: <13ca66cd0810101035n434c2c33w96cb3d8b87bb6c5d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4efaf9590810061840r754cb6adib5b33e87e24de0d9@mail.gmail.com>
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 <13ca66cd0810101035n434c2c33w96cb3d8b87bb6c5d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1564637149.20081012045837@gmail.com>

Hello Thomaz,

Friday, October 10, 2008, 9:35:49 PM, you wrote:

> I agree with Ron.

> Why people still think that Microsoft = Windows ??

> Windows is just a Microsoft product and it's not that profitable.

> If for some miracle, linux gets bigger than windows in desktop market,
> microsoft will just port their products for linux and that it is...

Visual C++ Redistributable?


-- 
Best regards,
 Michael                            mailto:aryss.skahara at gmail.com



From thor27 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 12 12:17:06 2008
From: thor27 at gmail.com (Thomaz de Oliveira dos Reis)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:17:06 -0300
Subject: [ut3] linux editor
In-Reply-To: <1564637149.20081012045837@gmail.com>
References: <4efaf9590810061840r754cb6adib5b33e87e24de0d9@mail.gmail.com>
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Maybe...  :)

On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Michael _Lynx Sokolkov
<aryss.skahara at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Thomaz,
>
> Friday, October 10, 2008, 9:35:49 PM, you wrote:
>
>> I agree with Ron.
>
>> Why people still think that Microsoft = Windows ??
>
>> Windows is just a Microsoft product and it's not that profitable.
>
>> If for some miracle, linux gets bigger than windows in desktop market,
>> microsoft will just port their products for linux and that it is...
>
> Visual C++ Redistributable?
>
>
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> Best regards,
>  Michael                            mailto:aryss.skahara at gmail.com
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From keithzg at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 12:27:43 2008
From: keithzg at gmail.com (Keith Z-G)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:27:43 -0600
Subject: [ut3] linux editor
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On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 9:43 PM, UndeadDevil's Shadow
<shadow at s-i-g-m-a.net> wrote:
> Do you guys honestly still hold hope of any Linux version of UT3 and its Editor (Or even a 64-bit Dedicated Server) happening?
> *I ask seriously to get your guys/girls general opinion*

I have hope, in fact I believe.  In some ways this goes against
rational analysis, but you know, I don't think I ever quite "got"
Pascal's wager until now ;)


