From jbon at cafcom.net  Thu Nov  1 17:48:21 2007
From: jbon at cafcom.net (Jacques Bon)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 22:48:21 +0100
Subject: OpenOffice.org in OpenBox
Message-ID: <20071101224821.3a40ecfc.jbon@localhost>

Hello,

I'd like to have in Openbox, OpenOffice.org looking as it is in Xfce,or
KDE. I use Slackware 12, without GNOME.

Launching xfce-mcs-manager with autostart.sh make a good job with all
GTK apps, but not OO.O. To make OOO nice in OB, I have to launch
xfdesktop, and then I can't use OB menus any more. Same thing using OB
as XFCE's wm (and lauching Xfce is slower than OB).

The strange thing is, that after killing xfdesktop, I can launch OOO, it
stills looks fine, and a "ps -A" show me the same processes before, and
after launching/killing xfdesktop.

Would you see a way to have OOO looking as nice in OB, as Xfce or Kde ?

Thanks for your help, best regards.

****************************
My autostart.sh :

#! /bin/sh

# D-bus
if which dbus-launch >/dev/null && test -z "$DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS";
then eval `dbus-launch --sh-syntax --exit-with-session`
fi

# Make GTK apps look and behave how they were set up in the gnome
# config tools
if which gnome-settings-daemon >/dev/null; then
  gnome-settings-daemon &
fi

# Preload stuff for KDE apps
if which start_kdeinit >/dev/null; then
  LD_BIND_NOW=true start_kdeinit --new-startup +kcminit_startup &
fi

# Preload stuff for XFCE
if which xfce-mcs-manager >/dev/null; then
  xfce-mcs-manager &
fi



-- 
Jacques Bon
http://cafcom.free.fr


From mangosoft at comhem.se  Fri Nov  2 04:34:31 2007
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 09:34:31 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] OpenOffice.org in OpenBox
In-Reply-To: <20071101224821.3a40ecfc.jbon@localhost>
References: <20071101224821.3a40ecfc.jbon@localhost>
Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.0.9999.0711020931330.32102@localhost>

On Thu, 1 Nov 2007, Jacques Bon wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I'd like to have in Openbox, OpenOffice.org looking as it is in Xfce,or
> KDE. I use Slackware 12, without GNOME.
>
> Launching xfce-mcs-manager with autostart.sh make a good job with all
> GTK apps, but not OO.O. To make OOO nice in OB, I have to launch
> xfdesktop, and then I can't use OB menus any more. Same thing using OB
> as XFCE's wm (and lauching Xfce is slower than OB).
>
> The strange thing is, that after killing xfdesktop, I can launch OOO, it
> stills looks fine, and a "ps -A" show me the same processes before, and
> after launching/killing xfdesktop.
>
> Would you see a way to have OOO looking as nice in OB, as Xfce or Kde ?
>
> Thanks for your help, best regards.

Openoffice.org probably has some insanely crazy heuristics to "detect" 
what DE it's being used in, and select a toolkit based on that. You can 
try:

export OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=gnome
ooffice

If that works, put the env var in your autostart file. IIRC you can also 
select the toolkit somewhere in the options.

--
Mikael Magnusson


From jbon at cafcom.net  Fri Nov  2 13:43:21 2007
From: jbon at cafcom.net (Jacques Bon)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 18:43:21 +0100
Subject: [openbox] OpenOffice.org in OpenBox
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LNX.0.9999.0711020931330.32102@localhost>
References: <20071101224821.3a40ecfc.jbon@localhost>
	<alpine.LNX.0.9999.0711020931330.32102@localhost>
Message-ID: <20071102184321.292cf220.jbon@localhost>

Le Fri, 2 Nov 2007 09:34:31 +0100 (CET)
Mikael Magnusson <mangosoft at comhem.se> a ?crit :

> Openoffice.org probably has some insanely crazy heuristics to
> "detect" what DE it's being used in, and select a toolkit based on
> that. You can try:
> 
> export OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=gnome
> ooffice

Yes it works ! Thank you very much. It works too with kde instead of
gnome


-- 
Jacques Bon
http://cafcom.free.fr


From rfquerin at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 13:02:33 2007
From: rfquerin at gmail.com (Richard Querin)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:02:33 -0500
Subject: Wiki Spam
Message-ID: <7d81675b0711081002s6fcfc820pdb6401aae6c2e424@mail.gmail.com>

I just noticed that under the Gnome/Openbox link (
http://icculus.org/openbox/index.php/Help:GNOME/Openbox) on the main Openbox
wiki page, there is a rather large list of spam links. The header section
doesn't appear to be editable (I wanted to see if I could remove them), but
I'm no wiki-expert. There doesn't appear to be the same problem under the
KDE/Openbox link off the wiki.

Just thought I'd mention it.


RQ
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From danakj at orodu.net  Thu Nov  8 15:09:43 2007
From: danakj at orodu.net (Dana Jansens)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:09:43 -0500
Subject: [openbox] Wiki Spam
In-Reply-To: <7d81675b0711081002s6fcfc820pdb6401aae6c2e424@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7d81675b0711081002s6fcfc820pdb6401aae6c2e424@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b3502dfb0711081209j6257f3afmf174935f7d705f6c@mail.gmail.com>

Feel free to remove the spam when you find it :)  I'll remove it this
time. Thanks.

On 11/8/07, Richard Querin <rfquerin at gmail.com> wrote:
> I just noticed that under the Gnome/Openbox link
> (http://icculus.org/openbox/index.php/Help:GNOME/Openbox)
> on the main Openbox wiki page, there is a rather large list of spam links.
> The header section doesn't appear to be editable (I wanted to see if I could
> remove them), but I'm no wiki-expert. There doesn't appear to be the same
> problem under the KDE/Openbox link off the wiki.
>
> Just thought I'd mention it.
>
>
> RQ
>
>


From danakj at orodu.net  Thu Nov  8 15:19:18 2007
From: danakj at orodu.net (Dana Jansens)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:19:18 -0500
Subject: [openbox] Wiki Spam
In-Reply-To: <b3502dfb0711081209j6257f3afmf174935f7d705f6c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7d81675b0711081002s6fcfc820pdb6401aae6c2e424@mail.gmail.com>
	 <b3502dfb0711081209j6257f3afmf174935f7d705f6c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b3502dfb0711081219l2781bec8xc07cda2542f55499@mail.gmail.com>

I've actually changed the wiki to require you to log in before editing
pages. Anyone can create an account and edit, but it should hopefully
cut off the random spam that's been getting bad lately.

Dana

On 11/8/07, Dana Jansens <danakj at orodu.net> wrote:
> Feel free to remove the spam when you find it :)  I'll remove it this
> time. Thanks.
>
> On 11/8/07, Richard Querin <rfquerin at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I just noticed that under the Gnome/Openbox link
> > (http://icculus.org/openbox/index.php/Help:GNOME/Openbox)
> > on the main Openbox wiki page, there is a rather large list of spam links.
> > The header section doesn't appear to be editable (I wanted to see if I could
> > remove them), but I'm no wiki-expert. There doesn't appear to be the same
> > problem under the KDE/Openbox link off the wiki.
> >
> > Just thought I'd mention it.
> >
> >
> > RQ
> >
> >
>


From rfquerin at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 15:49:57 2007
From: rfquerin at gmail.com (Richard Querin)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:49:57 -0500
Subject: [openbox] Wiki Spam
In-Reply-To: <b3502dfb0711081209j6257f3afmf174935f7d705f6c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7d81675b0711081002s6fcfc820pdb6401aae6c2e424@mail.gmail.com>
	 <b3502dfb0711081209j6257f3afmf174935f7d705f6c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7d81675b0711081249j25aff75fp75f22dd2c1dff2d4@mail.gmail.com>

On Nov 8, 2007 3:09 PM, Dana Jansens <danakj at orodu.net> wrote:

> Feel free to remove the spam when you find it :)  I'll remove it this
> time. Thanks.
>

No problem. I didn't see any edit link for that section (it was above the
contents box). I could edit other sections but couldn't seem to get at that
specific section to edit it.
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From mangosoft at comhem.se  Thu Nov  8 16:20:50 2007
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 22:20:50 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] Wiki Spam
In-Reply-To: <7d81675b0711081249j25aff75fp75f22dd2c1dff2d4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7d81675b0711081002s6fcfc820pdb6401aae6c2e424@mail.gmail.com>  <b3502dfb0711081209j6257f3afmf174935f7d705f6c@mail.gmail.com> <7d81675b0711081249j25aff75fp75f22dd2c1dff2d4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.0.9999.0711082220370.903@localhost>

On Thu, 8 Nov 2007, Richard Querin wrote:

> On Nov 8, 2007 3:09 PM, Dana Jansens <danakj at orodu.net> wrote:
>
>> Feel free to remove the spam when you find it :)  I'll remove it this
>> time. Thanks.
>>
>
> No problem. I didn't see any edit link for that section (it was above the
> contents box). I could edit other sections but couldn't seem to get at that
> specific section to edit it.

There's an Edit link at the top for the whole page.

--
Mikael Magnusson


From rfquerin at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 16:43:44 2007
From: rfquerin at gmail.com (Richard Querin)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 16:43:44 -0500
Subject: [openbox] Wiki Spam
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LNX.0.9999.0711082220370.903@localhost>
References: <7d81675b0711081002s6fcfc820pdb6401aae6c2e424@mail.gmail.com>
	 <b3502dfb0711081209j6257f3afmf174935f7d705f6c@mail.gmail.com>
	 <7d81675b0711081249j25aff75fp75f22dd2c1dff2d4@mail.gmail.com>
	 <alpine.LNX.0.9999.0711082220370.903@localhost>
Message-ID: <7d81675b0711081343x2f69ec65i17604ec809086ccb@mail.gmail.com>

On Nov 8, 2007 4:20 PM, Mikael Magnusson <mangosoft at comhem.se> wrote:

>
>
> There's an Edit link at the top for the whole page.
>
>
Thanks Mikael. Stupid me, I was fixated on the edit links on the right per
section.
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From cyberheroo at arcor.de  Sat Nov 10 14:51:36 2007
From: cyberheroo at arcor.de (Sebastian Joseph)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 20:51:36 +0100
Subject: [openbox] Wiki Spam
In-Reply-To: <7d81675b0711081002s6fcfc820pdb6401aae6c2e424@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7d81675b0711081002s6fcfc820pdb6401aae6c2e424@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47360BC8.7000904@arcor.de>

Richard Querin wrote:
> I just noticed that under the Gnome/Openbox link 
> (http://icculus.org/openbox/index.php/Help:GNOME/Openbox) on the main 
> Openbox wiki page, there is a rather large list of spam links. The 
> header section doesn't appear to be editable (I wanted to see if I 
> could remove them), but I'm no wiki-expert. There doesn't appear to be 
> the same problem under the KDE/Openbox link off the wiki.
>
> Just thought I'd mention it.
>
>
> RQ
>
I allready deleted some links, did they come back?

GagaPeter


From cyberheroo at arcor.de  Sat Nov 10 22:30:18 2007
From: cyberheroo at arcor.de (Sebastian Joseph)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 04:30:18 +0100
Subject: Menu Icons?
Message-ID: <4736774A.7010407@arcor.de>

Hello,
I've got a little question. Are there any patches to get icons in a 
menu? Or does anyone works on it? If not, I'll try to do it myself. 
Should be properly just a function to convert an image(png maybe?) in 
the pixmap-format of X and an additional tag or attribute in the <item>-tag.

Greetings GagaPeter


From jbon at cafcom.net  Sun Nov 11 12:38:38 2007
From: jbon at cafcom.net (Jacques Bon)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:38:38 +0100
Subject: Openbox + Bbdock
Message-ID: <20071111183838.ebfd9553.jbon@localhost>

Hello all,

I use Openbox in a school X-terminals network, with BBdock. Both are
very fine, but I have a problem : I would like to put an "Exit" icon in
the dock. I can do it with the "killall openbox" command in
the .bbdockrc.

*But* 3-6 yo pupils are connected (on X-terminals) under the same
login (one login for the class), so with this command, one child kills
openbox for all the children connected with the same login.

Would you see a way to exit openbox with a bbdock icon, killing just
the child's session ?

Thanks for your help

-- 
Jacques Bon
http://cafcom.free.fr


From yetanothergeek at gmail.com  Sun Nov 11 13:11:30 2007
From: yetanothergeek at gmail.com (Jeff Pohlmeyer)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:11:30 -0600
Subject: [openbox] Openbox + Bbdock
In-Reply-To: <20071111183838.ebfd9553.jbon@localhost>
References: <20071111183838.ebfd9553.jbon@localhost>
Message-ID: <a275e6d00711111011v6994027eibf84a10015113e@mail.gmail.com>

On Nov 11, 2007 11:38 AM, Jacques Bon <jbon at cafcom.net> wrote:

> Would you see a way to exit openbox with a bbdock icon, killing just
> the child's session ?


I'm not sure if I understand your problem, but
here is a script that searches up through its
parent processes for the one that matches
/path/to/openbox, and kills it...

#!/bin/bash

OPENBOX=$(which openbox)
CHILD=$$

while [ 1 ]
do
  if [ "$CHILD" ]
  then
    if  [ -d "/proc/$CHILD" ]
    then
    PARENT=$(awk '/^PPid:/ {print $2}'  /proc/$CHILD/status)
    if [ "$PARENT" ]
    then
      EXE=$(readlink /proc/$PARENT/exe | \
        awk '{gsub(/ +\(deleted\)$/,""); print}' )
      if [ "$EXE" == "$OPENBOX" ]
      then
        kill $PARENT
        exit 0
      fi
      CHILD=$PARENT
    else
      echo "No parent!"
      exit 3
    fi
    else
      echo "No proc/$CHILD"
      exit 2
    fi
  else
   echo "No child!"
   exit 1
  fi
done

( Of course, "child" here refers to "child process" not "student" :-)

 - Jeff


From mangosoft at comhem.se  Sun Nov 11 13:26:32 2007
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:26:32 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] Openbox + Bbdock
In-Reply-To: <20071111183838.ebfd9553.jbon@localhost>
References: <20071111183838.ebfd9553.jbon@localhost>
Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.0.99999.0711111926130.20098@localhost>

On Sun, 11 Nov 2007, Jacques Bon wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I use Openbox in a school X-terminals network, with BBdock. Both are
> very fine, but I have a problem : I would like to put an "Exit" icon in
> the dock. I can do it with the "killall openbox" command in
> the .bbdockrc.
>
> *But* 3-6 yo pupils are connected (on X-terminals) under the same
> login (one login for the class), so with this command, one child kills
> openbox for all the children connected with the same login.
>
> Would you see a way to exit openbox with a bbdock icon, killing just
> the child's session ?
>
> Thanks for your help

You can probably cheat and use "openbox --replace".

--
Mikael Magnusson


From jbon at cafcom.net  Sun Nov 11 13:38:20 2007
From: jbon at cafcom.net (Jacques Bon)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:38:20 +0100
Subject: [openbox] Openbox + Bbdock
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LNX.0.99999.0711111926130.20098@localhost>
References: <20071111183838.ebfd9553.jbon@localhost>
	<alpine.LNX.0.99999.0711111926130.20098@localhost>
Message-ID: <20071111193820.13eedee1.jbon@localhost>

Le Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:26:32 +0100 (CET)
Mikael Magnusson <mangosoft at comhem.se> a ?crit :

> You can probably cheat and use "openbox --replace".

Oops ! I had read this FM... But did not understood the meaning of
this argument (I'm french, my english is poor, and not very clever :-)
Yes, that's it, and so simple. Sorry, Jeff, for the work you've
done ! Maybe you should have RTFM too...
-- 
Jacques Bon
http://cafcom.free.fr


From jbon at cafcom.net  Sun Nov 11 13:29:34 2007
From: jbon at cafcom.net (Jacques Bon)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:29:34 +0100
Subject: [openbox] Openbox + Bbdock
In-Reply-To: <a275e6d00711111011v6994027eibf84a10015113e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20071111183838.ebfd9553.jbon@localhost>
	<a275e6d00711111011v6994027eibf84a10015113e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20071111192934.bcfb27be.jbon@localhost>

Le Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:11:30 -0600
"Jeff Pohlmeyer" <yetanothergeek at gmail.com> a ?crit :


> I'm not sure if I understand your problem, but
> here is a script that searches up through its
> parent processes for the one that matches
> /path/to/openbox, and kills it...

Yeah, you're a genius ! That's it !
It works great, now I have to understand how it works...

Thank you very, very much. I hope you script is GPL ? :-)

-- 
Jacques Bon
http://cafcom.free.fr


From mangosoft at comhem.se  Sun Nov 11 13:59:06 2007
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:59:06 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] Openbox + Bbdock
In-Reply-To: <20071111193820.13eedee1.jbon@localhost>
References: <20071111183838.ebfd9553.jbon@localhost> <alpine.LNX.0.99999.0711111926130.20098@localhost> <20071111193820.13eedee1.jbon@localhost>
Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.0.99999.0711111957310.20167@localhost>

On Sun, 11 Nov 2007, Jacques Bon wrote:

> Le Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:26:32 +0100 (CET)
> Mikael Magnusson <mangosoft at comhem.se> a ?crit :
>
>> You can probably cheat and use "openbox --replace".
>
> Oops ! I had read this FM... But did not understood the meaning of
> this argument (I'm french, my english is poor, and not very clever :-)
> Yes, that's it, and so simple. Sorry, Jeff, for the work you've
> done ! Maybe you should have RTFM too...

The real purpose of openbox --replace is to make a running wm exit, and 
then start openbox instead. However, that only works under a session 
manager. With startx it just makes X quit, which is what you wanted, but 
it is a bit ugly :). We could probably add a --exit too.

--
Mikael Magnusson

From yetanothergeek at gmail.com  Sun Nov 11 14:07:32 2007
From: yetanothergeek at gmail.com (Jeff Pohlmeyer)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 13:07:32 -0600
Subject: [openbox] Openbox + Bbdock
In-Reply-To: <20071111193820.13eedee1.jbon@localhost>
References: <20071111183838.ebfd9553.jbon@localhost>
	 <alpine.LNX.0.99999.0711111926130.20098@localhost>
	 <20071111193820.13eedee1.jbon@localhost>
Message-ID: <a275e6d00711111107g5742e91ckc888d06f0b3b603e@mail.gmail.com>

On Nov 11, 2007 12:38 PM, Jacques Bon <jbon at cafcom.net> wrote:


> Sorry, Jeff, for the work you've done !

Actually, it wasn't much work, it's just adapted from
a script I used back in my IceWM user days.

>  Maybe you should have RTFM too...

In my language, it is not considered proper to curse
at those who would try to help you ;-)


 - Jeff


From jbon at cafcom.net  Mon Nov 12 02:01:07 2007
From: jbon at cafcom.net (Jacques Bon)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:01:07 +0100
Subject: [openbox] Openbox + Bbdock
In-Reply-To: <a275e6d00711111107g5742e91ckc888d06f0b3b603e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20071111183838.ebfd9553.jbon@localhost>
	<alpine.LNX.0.99999.0711111926130.20098@localhost>
	<20071111193820.13eedee1.jbon@localhost>
	<a275e6d00711111107g5742e91ckc888d06f0b3b603e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20071112080107.97385b84.jbon@localhost>

Le Sun, 11 Nov 2007 13:07:32 -0600
"Jeff Pohlmeyer" <yetanothergeek at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> In my language, it is not considered proper to curse
> at those who would try to help you ;-)

Just a joke, of course... I really appreciated your help.

-- 
Jacques Bon
http://cafcom.free.fr


From rfquerin at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 10:39:28 2007
From: rfquerin at gmail.com (Richard Querin)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:39:28 -0500
Subject: Sorry for the spam....
Message-ID: <7d81675b0711120739x5f21c7eas18b223f08e591902@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry for the inadvertent spam I just sent out. Funny how you click a button
and THEN read what it's supposed to do. Grrrr.

Apologies.

RQ
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From bsd at cs.ubc.ca  Tue Nov 13 17:43:04 2007
From: bsd at cs.ubc.ca (Brian de Alwis)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:43:04 -0600
Subject: Openbox 3.4.4 with X.org: can no longer detect monitor edges?
Message-ID: <20071113224304.GA21275@monolith.gateway.2wire.net>

I just finished rebuilding my system using the X.org libraries.
And openbox (3.4.4) no longer recognizes my monitor edges resizing
or movement commands on my dual-head setup.

If I recompile openbox to use the older XFree86 libraries, openbox
is suddenly able to find the edges again.

Interestingly enough, I also use workrave which has the exact
opposite behaviour: it *can* now detect multiple edges with the
X.org libraries, whereas it *couldn't* detect the monitor edges
when compiled using the XFree86 libraries.

Does this ring any bells for anybody?

Brian.

-- 
  Brian de Alwis | Software Practices Lab | UBC | http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~bsd/
      "Amusement to an observing mind is study." - Benjamin Disraeli


From danakj at orodu.net  Tue Nov 13 18:32:28 2007
From: danakj at orodu.net (Dana Jansens)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:32:28 -0500
Subject: [openbox] Openbox 3.4.4 with X.org: can no longer detect monitor edges?
In-Reply-To: <20071113224304.GA21275@monolith.gateway.2wire.net>
References: <20071113224304.GA21275@monolith.gateway.2wire.net>
Message-ID: <b3502dfb0711131532p5fb5e337k97fc59cf2cfe4c6e@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/13/07, Brian de Alwis <bsd at cs.ubc.ca> wrote:
> I just finished rebuilding my system using the X.org libraries.
> And openbox (3.4.4) no longer recognizes my monitor edges resizing
> or movement commands on my dual-head setup.
>
> If I recompile openbox to use the older XFree86 libraries, openbox
> is suddenly able to find the edges again.
>
> Interestingly enough, I also use workrave which has the exact
> opposite behaviour: it *can* now detect multiple edges with the
> X.org libraries, whereas it *couldn't* detect the monitor edges
> when compiled using the XFree86 libraries.
>
> Does this ring any bells for anybody?

Maybe you don't have xinerama support with your X.org libraries
installed, but you do for you XFree86 ones?


From bsd at cs.ubc.ca  Tue Nov 13 19:52:45 2007
From: bsd at cs.ubc.ca (Brian de Alwis)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:52:45 -0600
Subject: [openbox] Openbox 3.4.4 with X.org: can no longer detect
	monitor edges?
In-Reply-To: <b3502dfb0711131532p5fb5e337k97fc59cf2cfe4c6e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20071113224304.GA21275@monolith.gateway.2wire.net> <b3502dfb0711131532p5fb5e337k97fc59cf2cfe4c6e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20071114005245.GA29769@monolith.gateway.2wire.net>

On 2007.11.13 18:32:28 -0500, Dana Jansens wrote:
> Maybe you don't have xinerama support with your X.org libraries
> installed, but you do for you XFree86 ones?

Bingo -- thank you Dana!

I was building using pkgsrc.org which causes each program to be
built in a sandbox.  If a dependency isn't explicitly specified
then it won't found, and Xinerma wasn't specified.

Brian.

-- 
  Brian de Alwis | Software Practices Lab | UBC | http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~bsd/
      "Amusement to an observing mind is study." - Benjamin Disraeli


From ukf-deadly-tiger at gmx.de  Thu Nov 22 12:51:48 2007
From: ukf-deadly-tiger at gmx.de (Andreas Herz)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 18:51:48 +0100
Subject: Using OpenBox under Xorg 7.3 has a Problem with a Key Binding
Message-ID: <4745C1B4.4000000@gmx.de>

Hi i use OpenBox on several Systems. On some, i upgraded to Xorg 7.3 and
found a interesting problem. I use the vi key bindings, mentioned on the
openbox page. I have these entries in my .config/openbox/rc.xml:

 <keybind key="W-A-comma">
      <action name="ToggleMaximizeHorz"/>
    </keybind>
      <keybind key="W-A-period">
      <action name="ToggleShade"/>
    </keybind>

W-A-comma works under xorg 7.2 and 7.3, but W-A-period doesn't work
under 7.3, although the other bindings where i use "period" work. I
can't understand what's the fault. This is the only thing that keeps me
away from switching my productive system to 7.3. So maybe anyone has a hint.

I use Gentoo ~x86 and OpenBox Version 3.4.4

thx


From itz at madbat.mine.nu  Sun Nov 25 20:25:30 2007
From: itz at madbat.mine.nu (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:25:30 -0500
Subject: sound?
Message-ID: <873autyf05.fsf@unicorn.ahiker.homeip.net>


Hi, I have just started using openbox and I am _very_ impressed.
There's just one feature I miss - playing sounds for window events.
My other two favourite window managers, windowmaker and sawfish,
both allow this.  Assuming nobody is currently working on it,
I'd like to give it a try.

But first: is this at all consistent with openbox design objectives?
Will it not be considered excessive bloat?  In fact there's no need
for interfacing with ALSA or another sound API: it would be enough
to provide hooks to execute a user specified shell command after each
event.  The command could come either from the rc.xml file or from
the theme.  Thoughts?

-- 
Ham is for reading, not for eating.


From daf at minuslab.net  Sun Nov 25 20:51:28 2007
From: daf at minuslab.net (Dave Foster)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:51:28 -0500
Subject: [openbox] sound?
In-Reply-To: <873autyf05.fsf@unicorn.ahiker.homeip.net>
References: <873autyf05.fsf@unicorn.ahiker.homeip.net>
Message-ID: <1196041888.6664.0.camel@chlorine.december.merseine.nu>

Why not rig up an external utility like devilspie to do the same thing?
Not sure what it provides but I'm sure external execution of something
is an option.

dave



On Sun, 2007-11-25 at 20:25 -0500, Ian Zimmerman wrote:
> Hi, I have just started using openbox and I am _very_ impressed.
> There's just one feature I miss - playing sounds for window events.
> My other two favourite window managers, windowmaker and sawfish,
> both allow this.  Assuming nobody is currently working on it,
> I'd like to give it a try.
> 
> But first: is this at all consistent with openbox design objectives?
> Will it not be considered excessive bloat?  In fact there's no need
> for interfacing with ALSA or another sound API: it would be enough
> to provide hooks to execute a user specified shell command after each
> event.  The command could come either from the rc.xml file or from
> the theme.  Thoughts?
> 



From jae at zhar.net  Sun Nov 25 20:58:02 2007
From: jae at zhar.net (John Eikenberry)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:58:02 -0500
Subject: [openbox] sound?
In-Reply-To: <873autyf05.fsf@unicorn.ahiker.homeip.net>
References: <873autyf05.fsf@unicorn.ahiker.homeip.net>
Message-ID: <20071126015802.GD11098@localdomain>

Ian Zimmerman wrote:

> In fact there's no need for interfacing with ALSA or another sound API:
> it would be enough to provide hooks to execute a user specified shell
> command after each event.  The command could come either from the rc.xml
> file or from the theme.  Thoughts?
 
It seems like you can already do some of what you want by just adding an
action to play the sound in the appropriate places in your rc.xml file.

<action name="Execute"><execute>play /path/to/sound.wav</execute></action>


-- 

John Eikenberry
[jae at zhar.net - http://zhar.net]
______________________________________________________________
"It is difficult to produce a television documentary that is both incisive
and probing when every twelve minutes one is interrupted by twelve dancing
rabbits singing about toilet paper." - Rod Serling



From itz at madbat.mine.nu  Sun Nov 25 21:07:38 2007
From: itz at madbat.mine.nu (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:07:38 -0500
Subject: [openbox] sound?
In-Reply-To: <20071126015802.GD11098@localdomain> (John Eikenberry's message of "Sun\, 25 Nov 2007 20\:58\:02 -0500")
References: <873autyf05.fsf@unicorn.ahiker.homeip.net>
	<20071126015802.GD11098@localdomain>
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John> It seems like you can already do some of what you want by just
John> adding an action to play the sound in the appropriate places in
John> your rc.xml file.

John> <action name="Execute"><execute>play /path/to/sound.wav</execute></action>

Yes, I have thought of that, but there are two reasons why I think
it is insufficient:

1/ in some environments (e.g. Debian) the users don't control the menus,
so they could add sounds to their key bound events but when the same
events happened via a menu item they would be SOL

2/ similarly, one would need to add same hook in many places of the config,
a sure way for them to eventually become inconsistent

-- 
Ham is for reading, not for eating.


From danakj at orodu.net  Sun Nov 25 23:25:46 2007
From: danakj at orodu.net (Dana Jansens)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:25:46 -0500
Subject: [openbox] sound?
In-Reply-To: <873autyf05.fsf@unicorn.ahiker.homeip.net>
References: <873autyf05.fsf@unicorn.ahiker.homeip.net>
Message-ID: <b3502dfb0711252025j50a3806bl692455853d1a254d@mail.gmail.com>

That's a neet idea. :)  I'm interested to see how you would have them
configurable.

dana

On 11/25/07, Ian Zimmerman <itz at madbat.mine.nu> wrote:
>
> Hi, I have just started using openbox and I am _very_ impressed.
> There's just one feature I miss - playing sounds for window events.
> My other two favourite window managers, windowmaker and sawfish,
> both allow this.  Assuming nobody is currently working on it,
> I'd like to give it a try.
>
> But first: is this at all consistent with openbox design objectives?
> Will it not be considered excessive bloat?  In fact there's no need
> for interfacing with ALSA or another sound API: it would be enough
> to provide hooks to execute a user specified shell command after each
> event.  The command could come either from the rc.xml file or from
> the theme.  Thoughts?
>
> --
> Ham is for reading, not for eating.
>
> ---
> To unsubscribe, send a blank email to openbox-unsubscribe at icculus.org
> Mailing list archives: http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?24
>
>
>


From itz at madbat.mine.nu  Sun Nov 25 23:56:48 2007
From: itz at madbat.mine.nu (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:56:48 -0500
Subject: [openbox] sound?
In-Reply-To: <b3502dfb0711252025j50a3806bl692455853d1a254d@mail.gmail.com> (Dana Jansens's message of "Sun\, 25 Nov 2007 23\:25\:46 -0500")
References: <873autyf05.fsf@unicorn.ahiker.homeip.net>
	<b3502dfb0711252025j50a3806bl692455853d1a254d@mail.gmail.com>
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Dana> That's a neet idea. :) I'm interested to see how you would have
Dana> them configurable.

Taking the first possibility, in the rc file, something like:

<hooks>

  <hook name="Iconify">
    <command>aplay clicked.wav</command>
    <!-- any number of other commands here -->
  </hook>

  <hook name="Unshade">
    <command>aplay activated.wav</command>
  </hook>

   <!-- more hooks -->

</hooks>

Refinements are possible - the name / class of the window might be passed
to the command as an argument; commands might be divided into groups to
be serialized; etc.

-- 
Ham is for reading, not for eating.


From danakj at orodu.net  Mon Nov 26 00:16:46 2007
From: danakj at orodu.net (Dana Jansens)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:16:46 -0500
Subject: [openbox] sound?
In-Reply-To: <87ve7pbo4v.fsf@unicorn.ahiker.homeip.net>
References: <873autyf05.fsf@unicorn.ahiker.homeip.net>
	 <b3502dfb0711252025j50a3806bl692455853d1a254d@mail.gmail.com>
	 <87ve7pbo4v.fsf@unicorn.ahiker.homeip.net>
Message-ID: <b3502dfb0711252116n603666ddt43fddaf7961113fa@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/25/07, Ian Zimmerman <itz at madbat.mine.nu> wrote:
>
> Dana> That's a neet idea. :) I'm interested to see how you would have
> Dana> them configurable.
>
> Taking the first possibility, in the rc file, something like:
>
> <hooks>
>
>   <hook name="Iconify">
>     <command>aplay clicked.wav</command>
>     <!-- any number of other commands here -->
>   </hook>
>
>   <hook name="Unshade">
>     <command>aplay activated.wav</command>
>   </hook>
>
>    <!-- more hooks -->
>
> </hooks>

There are other things that could be useful in a hook too, besides a
shell command.  Maybe any currently existing action, or perhaps a
separate set of hook-actions, one of which would be "execute".  What
other useful things could be done with a hook ?


From itz at madbat.mine.nu  Mon Nov 26 15:20:51 2007
From: itz at madbat.mine.nu (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:20:51 -0500
Subject: [openbox] sound?
In-Reply-To: <b3502dfb0711252116n603666ddt43fddaf7961113fa@mail.gmail.com> (Dana Jansens's message of "Mon\, 26 Nov 2007 00\:16\:46 -0500")
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	<b3502dfb0711252025j50a3806bl692455853d1a254d@mail.gmail.com>
	<87ve7pbo4v.fsf@unicorn.ahiker.homeip.net>
	<b3502dfb0711252116n603666ddt43fddaf7961113fa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87oddgn4gs.fsf@unicorn.ahiker.homeip.net>


Dana> There are other things that could be useful in a hook too, besides
Dana> a shell command.  Maybe any currently existing action, or perhaps
Dana> a separate set of hook-actions, one of which would be "execute".

We don't want to provide too many opportunities for firearm injuries
to the lower extremities :-)

Dana> What other useful things could be done with a hook ?

Hmm, I don't know, perhaps logging or recording, with the possibility
of future replay?

-- 
Ham is for reading, not for eating.


From itz at madbat.mine.nu  Thu Nov 29 11:09:30 2007
From: itz at madbat.mine.nu (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:09:30 -0500
Subject: [openbox] sound?
In-Reply-To: <b3502dfb0711252116n603666ddt43fddaf7961113fa@mail.gmail.com> (Dana Jansens's message of "Mon\, 26 Nov 2007 00\:16\:46 -0500")
References: <873autyf05.fsf@unicorn.ahiker.homeip.net>
	<b3502dfb0711252025j50a3806bl692455853d1a254d@mail.gmail.com>
	<87ve7pbo4v.fsf@unicorn.ahiker.homeip.net>
	<b3502dfb0711252116n603666ddt43fddaf7961113fa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87r6i9hw3p.fsf@unicorn.ahiker.homeip.net>

So, should I take the extended silence as go-ahead to proceed?

-- 
Ham is for reading, not for eating.


From cyberheroo at arcor.de  Thu Nov 29 19:42:47 2007
From: cyberheroo at arcor.de (Sebastian Joseph)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:42:47 +0100
Subject: [openbox] sound?
In-Reply-To: <87r6i9hw3p.fsf@unicorn.ahiker.homeip.net>
References: <873autyf05.fsf@unicorn.ahiker.homeip.net>	<b3502dfb0711252025j50a3806bl692455853d1a254d@mail.gmail.com>	<87ve7pbo4v.fsf@unicorn.ahiker.homeip.net>	<b3502dfb0711252116n603666ddt43fddaf7961113fa@mail.gmail.com> <87r6i9hw3p.fsf@unicorn.ahiker.homeip.net>
Message-ID: <474F5C87.8050101@arcor.de>

Ian Zimmerman wrote:
> So, should I take the extended silence as go-ahead to proceed?
>
>   
I think, it is a good idea, but, if you will make it so, why don`t 
create two pseudo-hooks with name login and logoff to replace the 
~/.config/openbox/autostart.sh?
May I will try to help you coding (I don`t write bigger programs than a 
small pacman clone before)

Greetings Sebastian


From itz at madbat.mine.nu  Thu Nov 29 14:04:11 2007
From: itz at madbat.mine.nu (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:04:11 -0500
Subject: [openbox] sound?
In-Reply-To: <474F5C87.8050101@arcor.de> (Sebastian Joseph's message of "Fri\, 30 Nov 2007 01\:42\:47 +0100")
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	<b3502dfb0711252116n603666ddt43fddaf7961113fa@mail.gmail.com>
	<87r6i9hw3p.fsf@unicorn.ahiker.homeip.net> <474F5C87.8050101@arcor.de>
Message-ID: <878x4gj2l0.fsf@unicorn.ahiker.homeip.net>


Ian> So, should I take the extended silence as go-ahead to proceed?

Sebastian> I think, it is a good idea, but, if you will make it so, why
Sebastian> don`t create two pseudo-hooks with name login and logoff to
Sebastian> replace the ~/.config/openbox/autostart.sh?  

I am not sure this is a good idea, for reasons related to Debian bug #452539.

To re-summarize: autostart.sh contains things that I put into ~/.xsession
instead, because I want them to run under _any_ window manager.  So, when
my distro helpfully provides autostart.sh for me, I have to take special
steps to bypass it.  I'd rather not have to do the same with the rc file.

-- 
Ham is for reading, not for eating.


From vla at uni-bonn.de  Thu Nov 29 14:08:10 2007
From: vla at uni-bonn.de (vlad)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:08:10 +0100
Subject: [openbox] sound?
In-Reply-To: <474F5C87.8050101@arcor.de>
References: <873autyf05.fsf@unicorn.ahiker.homeip.net> <b3502dfb0711252025j50a3806bl692455853d1a254d@mail.gmail.com> <87ve7pbo4v.fsf@unicorn.ahiker.homeip.net> <b3502dfb0711252116n603666ddt43fddaf7961113fa@mail.gmail.com> <87r6i9hw3p.fsf@unicorn.ahiker.homeip.net> <474F5C87.8050101@arcor.de>
Message-ID: <20071129190810.GA27973@minerva>

hello,

i don't want to troll around, but i think this idea to make sounds when
smth happens, is really stupid. sounds are annoying (the machine with the PING). 
it has actually nothing todo with the _window_ manager. 
having hooks to trigger events when starting or quitting an application may be
useful and imo a good idea. on the other hand one can have scripts which
do the same.

vlad

On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 01:42:47AM +0100, Sebastian Joseph wrote:
> Ian Zimmerman wrote:
>> So, should I take the extended silence as go-ahead to proceed?
>>
>>   
> I think, it is a good idea, but, if you will make it so, why don`t create 
> two pseudo-hooks with name login and logoff to replace the 
> ~/.config/openbox/autostart.sh?
> May I will try to help you coding (I don`t write bigger programs than a 
> small pacman clone before)
>
> Greetings Sebastian
>
> ---
> To unsubscribe, send a blank email to openbox-unsubscribe at icculus.org
> Mailing list archives: http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?24
>

-- 


From cyberheroo at arcor.de  Thu Nov 29 22:31:19 2007
From: cyberheroo at arcor.de (Sebastian Joseph)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:31:19 +0100
Subject: [openbox] sound?
In-Reply-To: <878x4gj2l0.fsf@unicorn.ahiker.homeip.net>
References: <873autyf05.fsf@unicorn.ahiker.homeip.net>	<b3502dfb0711252025j50a3806bl692455853d1a254d@mail.gmail.com>	<87ve7pbo4v.fsf@unicorn.ahiker.homeip.net>	<b3502dfb0711252116n603666ddt43fddaf7961113fa@mail.gmail.com>	<87r6i9hw3p.fsf@unicorn.ahiker.homeip.net> <474F5C87.8050101@arcor.de> <878x4gj2l0.fsf@unicorn.ahiker.homeip.net>
Message-ID: <474F8407.6080200@arcor.de>

Ian Zimmerman wrote:
> Ian> So, should I take the extended silence as go-ahead to proceed?
>
> Sebastian> I think, it is a good idea, but, if you will make it so, why
> Sebastian> don`t create two pseudo-hooks with name login and logoff to
> Sebastian> replace the ~/.config/openbox/autostart.sh?  
>
> I am not sure this is a good idea, for reasons related to Debian bug #452539.
>
> To re-summarize: autostart.sh contains things that I put into ~/.xsession
> instead, because I want them to run under _any_ window manager.  So, when
> my distro helpfully provides autostart.sh for me, I have to take special
> steps to bypass it.  I'd rather not have to do the same with the rc file.
>
>   
But may, some people wants to have special tools starting with openbox 
only. For example panels or something. I think, if you dont want to use 
rc.xml hooks, you don`t need to wrote them to the rc.xml file.


Greetings Sebastian


From folderol at ukfsn.org  Thu Nov 29 16:43:07 2007
From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:43:07 +0000
Subject: [openbox] sound?
In-Reply-To: <474F8407.6080200@arcor.de>
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	<b3502dfb0711252025j50a3806bl692455853d1a254d@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:31:19 +0100
Sebastian Joseph <cyberheroo at arcor.de> wrote:

> Ian Zimmerman wrote:
> > Ian> So, should I take the extended silence as go-ahead to proceed?
> >
> > Sebastian> I think, it is a good idea, but, if you will make it so, why
> > Sebastian> don`t create two pseudo-hooks with name login and logoff to
> > Sebastian> replace the ~/.config/openbox/autostart.sh?  
> >
> > I am not sure this is a good idea, for reasons related to Debian bug #452539.
> >
> > To re-summarize: autostart.sh contains things that I put into ~/.xsession
> > instead, because I want them to run under _any_ window manager.  So, when
> > my distro helpfully provides autostart.sh for me, I have to take special
> > steps to bypass it.  I'd rather not have to do the same with the rc file.
> >
> >   
> But may, some people wants to have special tools starting with openbox 
> only. For example panels or something. I think, if you dont want to use 
> rc.xml hooks, you don`t need to wrote them to the rc.xml file.
> 
> 
> Greetings Sebastian

Personally, I only use other window managers extremely rarely, and for
special reasons, so controls/effects linked tightly to openbox would
be a good thing (tm).

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk


