From lostson at lostsonsvault.org  Wed Mar  1 13:42:53 2006
From: lostson at lostsonsvault.org (lostson)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 12:42:53 -0600
Subject: [openbox] rc.xml
In-Reply-To: <44050AC9.9090408@theshinalls.com>
References: <1141180778.21981.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	 <44050AC9.9090408@theshinalls.com>
Message-ID: <1141238573.29342.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 21:45 -0500, J. Shinall wrote:
> 
> lostson wrote:
> > Hey All 
> >  Im trying to edit my rc.xml file so that window placement is under the
> > mouse like i normally use. Obconf is not working for me anymore. So does
> > anyone know the correct config option for this? In the rc.xml file it
> > looks like this
> > 
> > <placement>
> >   <policy>Mouse_Pointer</policy>
> > </placement>
> > 
> 
> You're close. This is what you want:
> 
> <placement>
>   <policy>UnderMouse</policy>
> </placement>
> 
> This is not mentioned in the OB3 docs, but the OB2 docs still include a
> reference for this.

 Ahh thanks!! So does this mean the docs need to be updated? Is there
anyway I can help with this ?
> 
> >  Also does anyone know the way to fix the Obconf problem. It will not
> > close with the close button provided and when closing with the window
> > deco it does not save the config. The error i get is this
> > 
 <snip>
> > 
> >  and it goes on and on.I am looking through the source and trying to
> > figure this out. I have googled and seen alot of people suffering from
> > this but no solution. Im gonna go through the source and see if i can
> > fix it myself though as well. Thanks in advance.
> 
> I'm not sure about the exact cause. I have seen folks on the Gentoo
> forums claiming that downgrading their libglade package worked. I'm not
> sure - never bothered myself.
> 
Im looking into it further today maybe I can fix it. I cant seem to find
anyway to contact the author and get his thoughts though.
-- 
LostSon 

http://www.lostsonsvault.org


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From daf at minuslab.net  Wed Mar  1 13:48:02 2006
From: daf at minuslab.net (Dave Foster)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 13:48:02 -0500
Subject: [openbox] rc.xml
In-Reply-To: <1141238573.29342.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1141180778.21981.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>	 <44050AC9.9090408@theshinalls.com> <1141238573.29342.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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lostson wrote:
>>> lf though as well. Thanks in advance.
>>>       
>> I'm not sure about the exact cause. I have seen folks on the Gentoo
>> forums claiming that downgrading their libglade package worked. I'm not
>> sure - never bothered myself.
>>
>>     
> Im looking into it further today maybe I can fix it. I cant seem to find
> anyway to contact the author and get his thoughts though.
>   


I was working on it last night with no results, but I have gleaned some 
information from another developer.  He told me somewhere along the line 
Glade changed to require gobject-2.0 (as in the package name) and 
without that, all the glade autoconnections fail.  He said to put 
gobject-2.0 as one of the requirements in the Makefile.in (or is it .am, 
I can never remember) and then all should be ok.

I'm at work and won't be home to try it for a few hours, but if someone 
else wants to try this go ahead :) 

BTW, the maintainer is Safari_Al and he hangs out in #openbox 
(irc.oftc.net), and he's in the Australian timezone.

dave

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From david at chalkskeletons.com  Wed Mar  1 16:05:58 2006
From: david at chalkskeletons.com (David Barr)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 21:05:58 +0000
Subject: [openbox] Openbox through gnome-session
In-Reply-To: <20060227224537.GA18420@sysrq.tk>
References: <20060227224537.GA18420@sysrq.tk>
Message-ID: <1141247158.25735.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2006-02-27 at 14:45 -0800, Eric Gillingham wrote:
> I'm using openbox instead of metacity in a gnome desktop, 

excellent!

> and I was 
> wondering where openbox get it's font sizes from. It seems that with 
> gnome-settings-daemon behaving oddly for me, that the size of the fonts 
> openbox uses to draw the titles of windows is varying. Is this a known 
> issue or is there a way I can prevent it from happening?
> 
> 

i think the issues come from that gnome-session sets its own dpi, and it
is a race issue so if openbox loads too quickly then it gets in before
gnome-settings sets it. you can set the dpi of X to teh same as gnome
probably or the other way round i think X is 100

what was i saying? yeah so maybe put a bit of sleep in before you exec
openbox, so it loads the right settings.

anyway that is what is going on and why openbox fonts are sometimes too
big, too darn quick!

i thought it might be nice to set openbox fonts optionally from gnome,
but i think i would be alone in that...

window.active.label.text.font:shadow=y:shadowoffset=1:shadowtint=40:GNOME

i know lame.

David



From wik at iq.pl  Thu Mar  2 05:38:40 2006
From: wik at iq.pl (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Pawe=B3_S=B3owik?=)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:38:40 +0100
Subject: [PATCH] devilspie replacement in only 250 lines of code
Message-ID: <20060302103840.GC1277@serv13.iq.pl>

here's a patch that makes it possible to configure window
startup state (iconified, undecorated etc.) based on window
properties (class, title, name, icon name)

I know that this can be done using devilspie, but devilspie
introduces new dependencies, and what's the point of using a
lightweight wm, if the system gets cluttered with some obscure
libs? ;)

the patch was developed using 3.2 source tarball, but it also
applies to 3.3-rc2
and I'm not really a C programmer, there might be some errors...

configuration syntax:
<match winprop="P" pattern="PATTERN">
	<desktop>DESKTOP</desktop>
	<x>INT</x>
	<y>INT</y>
	<w>INT</w>
	<h>INT</h>
	<shaded />
	<iconic />
	<skip_pager />
	<skip_taskbar />
	<fullscreen />
	<above />
	<below />
	<max_horz />
	<max_vert />
	<undecorated />
</match>
P is one of the characters: t i n c , to apply PATTERN against
window title, icon title, window name or window class
PATTERN is a glib Glob-style pattern (with '*' as wildcard and '?'
as joker, sorry no regexps)
DESKTOP is an integer or the string: all

an example config file is attached, put it in
~/.config/openbox/winstate.xml

-- 
Pawe? S?owik
wik at iq.pl

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From pierre-yves at spootnik.org  Thu Mar  2 11:44:40 2006
From: pierre-yves at spootnik.org (Pierre-Yves Ritschard)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:44:40 +0100
Subject: openbox & firefox on OpenBSD/amd64
Message-ID: <440720F8.9000300@spootnik.org>

Hi,

First I'm a fan of openbox, I've been using it at work and at home for a 
while.
I was about to send a patch for 3.2 enabling a feature called 
'ToggleFullScreen' but I just saw that the exact same feature was added 
in openbox-3.3-rc.

Back to my main problem, my new work box is an amd64 workstation I've 
always ran OpenBSD, the current system is a recent OpenBSD snapshot.

I'm experiencing segfaults when closing windows fast (gdb shows that the 
crash comes from ob_main_loop_x_remove).
These are annoying but OK, i need to compile my openbox with debugging 
symbols and not stripped to trace the offending action, it probably 
comes from the fact that the new malloc acts a bit like electric-fence, 
it automatically crashes apps that access unallocated memory which is 
probably what happens.

The really weird part is mozilla components (firefox & thunderbird), 
their windows don't show up ! The process runs though...
I really tried to get the problem behind this, i was able to make the 
window show up by running through ssh X forwarding to localhost !

Of course this doesn't show up in my other wm (which i have to revert to 
for now: xfwm4).

When i launch thunderbird or firefox from xfwm4, then kill it then start 
openbox, openbox crashes with a segfault.
When doing it the other way around, I get net_wm_unmanaged warnings from 
  xfwm4, is this an unmanaged ewmh property of some sort and why the 
**&! wouldn't it cause a problem on other platforms...

I'm going to investigate further and see what i can get out of these 
segfaults, I'll get back to you as soon as I can, the bummer is that my 
amd64 box is at work...

Thanks for your time,
Pierre-Yves, openbox enthusiast


From clay.barnes at gmail.com  Thu Mar  2 20:09:53 2006
From: clay.barnes at gmail.com (Clay Barnes)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 18:09:53 -0700
Subject: [openbox] [PATCH] devilspie replacement in only 250 lines of
 code
In-Reply-To: <20060302103840.GC1277@serv13.iq.pl>
References: <20060302103840.GC1277@serv13.iq.pl>
Message-ID: <44079761.6020602@gmail.com>

Pawe? S?owik wrote:
> here's a patch that makes it possible to configure window
> startup state (iconified, undecorated etc.) based on window
> properties (class, title, name, icon name)
>
> I know that this can be done using devilspie, but devilspie
> introduces new dependencies, and what's the point of using a
> lightweight wm, if the system gets cluttered with some obscure
> libs? ;)
>
> the patch was developed using 3.2 source tarball, but it also
> applies to 3.3-rc2
> and I'm not really a C programmer, there might be some errors...
>
> configuration syntax:
> <match winprop="P" pattern="PATTERN">
> 	<desktop>DESKTOP</desktop>
> 	<x>INT</x>
> 	<y>INT</y>
> 	<w>INT</w>
> 	<h>INT</h>
> 	<shaded />
> 	<iconic />
> 	<skip_pager />
> 	<skip_taskbar />
> 	<fullscreen />
> 	<above />
> 	<below />
> 	<max_horz />
> 	<max_vert />
> 	<undecorated />
> </match>
> P is one of the characters: t i n c , to apply PATTERN against
> window title, icon title, window name or window class
> PATTERN is a glib Glob-style pattern (with '*' as wildcard and '?'
> as joker, sorry no regexps)
> DESKTOP is an integer or the string: all
>
> an example config file is attached, put it in
> ~/.config/openbox/winstate.xml
>
>   
Now /that's/ a nice addition. What are the chances that'll get 
integrated into OB for the next release?

--Clay


From henrik.enberg at telia.com  Thu Mar  2 21:03:09 2006
From: henrik.enberg at telia.com (Henrik Enberg)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 03:03:09 +0100
Subject: [openbox] openbox & firefox on OpenBSD/amd64
In-Reply-To: <440720F8.9000300@spootnik.org>
References: <440720F8.9000300@spootnik.org>
Message-ID: <20060303020309.GA3820@rocksteady.printf.se>

Pierre-Yves Ritschard <pierre-yves at spootnik.org> writes:

> Back to my main problem, my new work box is an amd64 workstation I've 
> always ran OpenBSD, the current system is a recent OpenBSD snapshot.

FWIW, I run a OpenBSD 3.9 snapshot with 3.3-rc2 without any stability
problems.  I'm on i386 though, so 64bit issues might be a good place to
start looking for problems.


From pierre-yves at spootnik.org  Fri Mar  3 03:05:47 2006
From: pierre-yves at spootnik.org (Pierre-Yves Ritschard)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 09:05:47 +0100
Subject: [openbox] openbox & firefox on OpenBSD/amd64
In-Reply-To: <20060303020309.GA3820@rocksteady.printf.se>
References: <440720F8.9000300@spootnik.org> <20060303020309.GA3820@rocksteady.printf.se>
Message-ID: <4407F8DB.5020104@spootnik.org>

Henrik Enberg wrote:
> Pierre-Yves Ritschard <pierre-yves at spootnik.org> writes:
> 
> 
>>Back to my main problem, my new work box is an amd64 workstation I've 
>>always ran OpenBSD, the current system is a recent OpenBSD snapshot.
> 
> 
> FWIW, I run a OpenBSD 3.9 snapshot with 3.3-rc2 without any stability
> problems.  I'm on i386 though, so 64bit issues might be a good place to
> start looking for problems.

Yes so do I, as mentionned in my original mail I only encounter problems 
when running on amd64, though my first debug outputs seem to show that 
the problem is a memory problem, probably triggered by 64bit issues, I'm 
  reading through the source and will let you know.

Btw I have an amd64 workstation at home now and was able to reproduce 
the problem on different versions of OpenBSD (3.8 and 3.9-snap).


From man at alkar.net  Mon Mar  6 10:01:36 2006
From: man at alkar.net (Artyom Mirgorodsky)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 17:01:36 +0200
Subject: dock config
Message-ID: <200603061701.36589.man@alkar.net>

Why I can not write config for align dock on the left side of window contorol 
buttons like this:

<dock>
  <position>RightTop</position>
  <stacking>Top</stacking>
  <direction>Horizontal</direction>
  <floatingX>-56</floatingX>
  <floatingY>0</floatingY>
  <autoHide>no</autoHide>
  <hideDelay>300</hideDelay>
  <moveButton>A-Left</moveButton>
  <noStrut>yes</noStrut>
</dock>



From tim.riley at gmail.com  Tue Mar  7 09:06:43 2006
From: tim.riley at gmail.com (Tim Riley)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 00:36:43 +1030
Subject: ANNOUNCE: ObConf 1.6
Message-ID: <1aec99e40603070606o24f70c7fx@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings openboxers!

I am delighted to announce a new release of obconf.  This release
(1.6) includes many new features, which are listed below:

  1. Unbreak obconf
  2. Compile with the -export-dynamic LDFLAG (See 1.)

Yes, obconf will now close when you click the close button.  Thanks
very much to Javeed Shaikh (syscrash2k), Shaun Jones (LostSon) and
nightm4re from #openbox for their combined efforts in tracking down
the fix to this infamous bug.

You can download the release here:
http://tr.openmonkey.com/files/obconf/obconf-1.6.tar.gz

I have also constructed a web page for obconf here:
http://tr.openmonkey.com/pages/obconf

This release is based on the obconf 1.5 sources.  Another release
should follow shortly incorporating the changes that were made in CVS
before cvs.orodu.net disappeared.

Any bugs can be reported at http://bugzilla.icculus.org.  You can also
contact me as Safari_Al in #openbox.

Thanks and enjoy!
  - Tim


From daf at minuslab.net  Tue Mar  7 09:13:16 2006
From: daf at minuslab.net (Dave Foster)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 09:13:16 -0500
Subject: [openbox] ANNOUNCE: ObConf 1.6
In-Reply-To: <1aec99e40603070606o24f70c7fx@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1aec99e40603070606o24f70c7fx@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <440D94FC.3070407@minuslab.net>

Tim Riley wrote:
> I am delighted to announce a new release of obconf.  This release
> (1.6) includes many new features, which are listed below:
>
>   1. Unbreak obconf
>   2. Compile with the -export-dynamic LDFLAG (See 1.)
>
>   
Fantastic!
> Thanks very much to Javeed Shaikh (syscrash2k), Shaun Jones (LostSon) and
> nightm4re from #openbox 
>   
I am nightm4re, my real name is Dave Foster.  It looked a bit out of 
place without it :P

dave



From david at chalkskeletons.com  Mon Mar 13 17:58:18 2006
From: david at chalkskeletons.com (David Barr)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 22:58:18 +0000
Subject: planet openbox
Message-ID: <1142290698.4794.26.camel@localhost.localdomain>

it is a universally accepted FACT that all projects need a planet, i
will go into why later.

it is also true, that a planet without people (or robots) is a pretty
boring place, unless you are a geologist, or whatever, but then if you
were there to 'geologise' or whatever then you would be people, so i
think Heidegger had a point about that, Dasein, i believe? well i don't
know...

i think i got a little off canter there, so look, everyone on this list
has at least a passing interest in openbox, it is now you must stand up
a be counted. So if you happen to be some awesome person who maintains,
obmenu, obconf or just some dork who makes themes or whatever then you
people must have a muse, a muse that must be given a voice! i say this
to you, blogs are stupid, there are too many of them, no one cares that
your aunt's pet died, hang on.

So "why even bother?" i hear you ask, or frantically type. Well, i think
a planet will be an excellent way to build a community, a strong
community means more interest and a greater will to get involved, that
is my opinion anyway. I think openbox is a nifty little thing, i'd like
to see more people pay attention to it, i'd like people to feel as
though they are a little part of it. 

so anyway tim riley has been awesome as ever and together we hope to
have this donkey on the way to the beach, asap.

so i say this: if you have some kind of 'online publishing' thing going
on that you mention openbox in, or if you just happen to wonder how easy
it is to set up word press, or you have submitted a patch or you want to
just basically, i really don't care you had to have your horse put down,
i don't care if you think your mother doesn't understand your
'creativeness', but i do care if you wrote a neat patch for openbox or
similar and i think other will care too, join our club; you don't get a
key fob.

if you want your feed including email me (on or off list) and i will
make everything good, by hook or by crook.

watch the skies for pies

David 

p.s. tim my email works, again (also i have a grander (some would say
insane) idea if this does not gleam people...)

 



From hanni.ali at gmail.com  Mon Mar 13 18:15:01 2006
From: hanni.ali at gmail.com (Hanni Ali)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 23:15:01 +0000
Subject: Kaboot
Message-ID: <789d27b10603131515t178d788eq@mail.gmail.com>

I started Kaboot back in December (a LiveCD based on Gentoo) and used
openbox for the windowmanager in the Lite and Science versions (it's also on
the Komplete version but that defaults to KDE)

I'd appreciate the opinion of people on this list for additions or
modification to the LiveCD's.

http://kaboot.ainkaboot.co.uk

Check it out and let me know.

Cheers

Hanni

--
E-mail: hanni.ali at gmail.com
Mobile: 07985580147
Website: www.ainkaboot.co.uk
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From brandoncash at gmail.com  Tue Mar 14 08:48:47 2006
From: brandoncash at gmail.com (Brandon Cash)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:48:47 -0600
Subject: [openbox] planet openbox
In-Reply-To: <1142290698.4794.26.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1142290698.4794.26.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <4416C9BF.9040806@gmail.com>

> it is a universally accepted FACT that all projects need a planet, i
> will go into why later.
I don't know what a "planet" is, but I'm assuming it's just a collection 
of articles/blog postings/whatever else one can think of about openbox?

> 
> it is also true, that a planet without people (or robots) is a pretty
> boring place, unless you are a geologist, or whatever, but then if you
> were there to 'geologise' or whatever then you would be people, so i
> think Heidegger had a point about that, Dasein, i believe? well i don't
> know...
I'm not sure what drugs inspired this paragraph, but you may want to 
stop using them. :)

> 
> i think i got a little off canter there, so look, everyone on this list
> has at least a passing interest in openbox, it is now you must stand up
> a be counted. So if you happen to be some awesome person who maintains,
> obmenu, obconf or just some dork who makes themes or whatever then you
> people must have a muse, a muse that must be given a voice! i say this
> to you, blogs are stupid, there are too many of them, no one cares that
> your aunt's pet died, hang on.
Those on this list are few, while openbox followers are.. less-few.  So 
if this were to go anywhere, you'd need to appeal to the entire openbox 
audience, which would mean support from Mikachu to use the page.

> 
> So "why even bother?" i hear you ask, or frantically type. Well, i think
> a planet will be an excellent way to build a community, a strong
> community means more interest and a greater will to get involved, that
> is my opinion anyway. I think openbox is a nifty little thing, i'd like
> to see more people pay attention to it, i'd like people to feel as
> though they are a little part of it. 
Anything that gets more people working on it is something I'll endorse.

> 
> so anyway tim riley has been awesome as ever and together we hope to
> have this donkey on the way to the beach, asap.
Why would a donkey need to go to the beach?  I'm not sure what kind of 
workings actually go into creating a 'planet,' but if you require any 
PHP or XHTML assistance, don't hesitate to ask.

> 
> so i say this: if you have some kind of 'online publishing' thing going
> on that you mention openbox in, or if you just happen to wonder how easy
> it is to set up word press, or you have submitted a patch or you want to
> just basically, i really don't care you had to have your horse put down,
> i don't care if you think your mother doesn't understand your
> 'creativeness', but i do care if you wrote a neat patch for openbox or
> similar and i think other will care too, join our club; you don't get a
> key fob.
> 
> if you want your feed including email me (on or off list) and i will
> make everything good, by hook or by crook.
This sentence didn't make much sense to me, but I'm assuming that you 
just want a collection of RSS feeds?

> 
> watch the skies for pies
I'll do just that.


Brandon Cash
(Probably better known as cai)


From david at chalkskeletons.com  Tue Mar 14 14:22:42 2006
From: david at chalkskeletons.com (David Barr)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:22:42 +0000
Subject: [openbox] planet openbox
In-Reply-To: <4416C9BF.9040806@gmail.com>
References: <1142290698.4794.26.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	 <4416C9BF.9040806@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1142364162.4743.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2006-03-14 at 07:48 -0600, Brandon Cash wrote:
> > it is a universally accepted FACT that all projects need a planet, i
> > will go into why later.
> I don't know what a "planet" is, but I'm assuming it's just a collection 
> of articles/blog postings/whatever else one can think of about openbox?
> 
> > 
> > it is also true, that a planet without people (or robots) is a pretty
> > boring place, unless you are a geologist, or whatever, but then if you
> > were there to 'geologise' or whatever then you would be people, so i
> > think Heidegger had a point about that, Dasein, i believe? well i don't
> > know...
> I'm not sure what drugs inspired this paragraph, but you may want to 
> stop using them. :)
> 
> > 
> > i think i got a little off canter there, so look, everyone on this list
> > has at least a passing interest in openbox, it is now you must stand up
> > a be counted. So if you happen to be some awesome person who maintains,
> > obmenu, obconf or just some dork who makes themes or whatever then you
> > people must have a muse, a muse that must be given a voice! i say this
> > to you, blogs are stupid, there are too many of them, no one cares that
> > your aunt's pet died, hang on.
> Those on this list are few, while openbox followers are.. less-few.  So 
> if this were to go anywhere, you'd need to appeal to the entire openbox 
> audience, which would mean support from Mikachu to use the page.
> 
well mikachu is sort of on board, insofar as he is not morally opposed
to it. but not so far as he wants to participate, he did mention, unless
i dreamt it, that planet.openbox.org is a possibility, after the whole
domain thing is sorted out, of course.

> > 
> > So "why even bother?" i hear you ask, or frantically type. Well, i think
> > a planet will be an excellent way to build a community, a strong
> > community means more interest and a greater will to get involved, that
> > is my opinion anyway. I think openbox is a nifty little thing, i'd like
> > to see more people pay attention to it, i'd like people to feel as
> > though they are a little part of it. 
> Anything that gets more people working on it is something I'll endorse.
> 

excellent!

> > 
> > so anyway tim riley has been awesome as ever and together we hope to
> > have this donkey on the way to the beach, asap.
> Why would a donkey need to go to the beach?  I'm not sure what kind of 
> workings actually go into creating a 'planet,' but if you require any 
> PHP or XHTML assistance, don't hesitate to ask.
> 

it's actually python, my main problem is with installing the planet
modules/extensions for it to run, obviously i can do it locally, but on
a server it seems troublesome, tim has come to the rescue like some
super musclebound hero. i need to 'action' the thing though...

> > 
> > so i say this: if you have some kind of 'online publishing' thing going
> > on that you mention openbox in, or if you just happen to wonder how easy
> > it is to set up word press, or you have submitted a patch or you want to
> > just basically, i really don't care you had to have your horse put down,
> > i don't care if you think your mother doesn't understand your
> > 'creativeness', but i do care if you wrote a neat patch for openbox or
> > similar and i think other will care too, join our club; you don't get a
> > key fob.
> > 
> > if you want your feed including email me (on or off list) and i will
> > make everything good, by hook or by crook.
> This sentence didn't make much sense to me, but I'm assuming that you 
> just want a collection of RSS feeds?
> 

basically, yes :)

> > 
> > watch the skies for pies
> I'll do just that.

keep your eyes peeled

> Brandon Cash
> (Probably better known as cai)
> 
> 

David



From doj at cubic.org  Thu Mar 16 02:45:44 2006
From: doj at cubic.org (Dirk Jagdmann)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 08:45:44 +0100
Subject: menu delay
Message-ID: <441917A8.40200@cubic.org>

Hello,

I have used openbox for a long time and the obenbox menu always came to 
the screen instantly after right clicking on the X root window. Then I 
have tried the CVS version of openbox some days ago, but switched back 
to openbox 3.2. Although I did not alter any configuration files, the 
menu now always appears with a delay of ~2s after clicking.

Does anybody have any idea what might have caused this change in behaviour?

-- 
---> Dirk Jagdmann ^ doj / cubic
----> http://cubic.org/~doj
-----> http://llg.cubic.org


From henrik.enberg at telia.com  Thu Mar 16 12:42:22 2006
From: henrik.enberg at telia.com (Henrik Enberg)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:42:22 +0100
Subject: [openbox] menu delay
In-Reply-To: <441917A8.40200@cubic.org>
References: <441917A8.40200@cubic.org>
Message-ID: <20060316174222.GA22202@rocksteady.printf.se>

Dirk Jagdmann <doj at cubic.org> writes:

> I have used openbox for a long time and the obenbox menu always came
> to the screen instantly after right clicking on the X root
> window. Then I have tried the CVS version of openbox some days ago,
> but switched back to openbox 3.2. Although I did not alter any
> configuration files, the menu now always appears with a delay of ~2s
> after clicking.
> 
> Does anybody have any idea what might have caused this change in
> behaviour?

You probably compiled it with pango support.  It makes menus slow and
openbox consume more than twice as much memory.

$ ./configure --disable-pango


From mato at kotelna.sk  Thu Mar 16 12:57:41 2006
From: mato at kotelna.sk (Martin Lucina)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:57:41 +0100
Subject: 64-bit problems, new release?
Message-ID: <4419A715.9010500@kotelna.sk>

Hi,

I've been wondering ever since I got myself an AMD64 workstation why my 
Tasklist was not working with Openbox.  Yesterday I was playing with 
devilspie and found that wasn't working either, so I did some digging 
and found debian bug #344076, which says that this is fixed in Openbox CVS.

Have downloaded the latest CVS and built myself a Debian package from it 
and yay, everything works.

Just wondering if we shouldn't get a new release out with these fixes, 
since they would affect anyone running OB on 64-bit platforms?

-mato


From mangosoft at comhem.se  Thu Mar 16 13:02:37 2006
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:02:37 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] 64-bit problems, new release?
In-Reply-To: <4419A715.9010500@kotelna.sk>
References: <4419A715.9010500@kotelna.sk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0603161901500.7439@localhost>

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006, Martin Lucina wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've been wondering ever since I got myself an AMD64 workstation why my 
> Tasklist was not working with Openbox.  Yesterday I was playing with 
> devilspie and found that wasn't working either, so I did some digging and 
> found debian bug #344076, which says that this is fixed in Openbox CVS.
>
> Have downloaded the latest CVS and built myself a Debian package from it and 
> yay, everything works.
>
> Just wondering if we shouldn't get a new release out with these fixes, since 
> they would affect anyone running OB on 64-bit platforms?

Basically because in the course of adding new features and fixing bugs, 
i've introduced some new bugs that i haven't had time to fix yet...

--
Mikael Magnusson


From troycurtisjr at gmail.com  Thu Mar 16 22:33:16 2006
From: troycurtisjr at gmail.com (Troy Curtis Jr)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:33:16 -0600
Subject: [openbox] 64-bit problems, new release?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0603161901500.7439@localhost>
References: <4419A715.9010500@kotelna.sk>
	 <Pine.LNX.4.64.0603161901500.7439@localhost>
Message-ID: <4148457f0603161933p40e77f21g6241f4d521165a1e@mail.gmail.com>

Wow!  So that is the problem...I would not have looked to openbox (since I
know it's perfect :-) ).  I figured my problem was related to using X7.  As
soon as firefox finishes it's compile I'm going to try it out. Thanks for
email.

Troy

On 3/16/06, Mikael Magnusson <mangosoft at comhem.se> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 16 Mar 2006, Martin Lucina wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've been wondering ever since I got myself an AMD64 workstation why my
> > Tasklist was not working with Openbox.  Yesterday I was playing with
> > devilspie and found that wasn't working either, so I did some digging
> and
> > found debian bug #344076, which says that this is fixed in Openbox CVS.
> >
> > Have downloaded the latest CVS and built myself a Debian package from it
> and
> > yay, everything works.
> >
> > Just wondering if we shouldn't get a new release out with these fixes,
> since
> > they would affect anyone running OB on 64-bit platforms?
>
> Basically because in the course of adding new features and fixing bugs,
> i've introduced some new bugs that i haven't had time to fix yet...
>
> --
> Mikael Magnusson
>



--
"Beware of spyware. If you can, use the Firefox browser." - USA Today
Download now at http://getfirefox.com
Registered Linux User #354814 ( http://counter.li.org/)
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From troycurtisjr at gmail.com  Thu Mar 16 23:40:02 2006
From: troycurtisjr at gmail.com (Troy Curtis Jr)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:40:02 -0600
Subject: [openbox] 64-bit problems, new release?
In-Reply-To: <4148457f0603161933p40e77f21g6241f4d521165a1e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4419A715.9010500@kotelna.sk>
	 <Pine.LNX.4.64.0603161901500.7439@localhost>
	 <4148457f0603161933p40e77f21g6241f4d521165a1e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4148457f0603162040n729bd569s25f58c4159ff2ff6@mail.gmail.com>

Ah well, so that wasn't my issue.  I guess I'll take this oppurtunity to
pick the collective brain of this list.  I have two issues:

1) Ever since getting my new-fangled AMD64 and reinstalling Gentoo with the
2006.0 release (32 bit install), I have not been able to get fbpanel to
run.  It fails with this error:

error is /usr/share/fbpanel/plugins/taskbar.so: undefined symbol:
a_NET_WM_STATE

Do you see why I thought I had a similar issue to Martin?  I have the
lastest fbpanel I can find (4.3) and I just installed a openbox cvs.  Of
course the wrench is that I am using the new X7: Modular X.  I suspect that
this is the real root of the problem.  Perhaps some of you are familiar with
this symbol and can point me to the library so that I maybe submit a bug
report.  As a note, I just ran perlpanel and it does show my task list just
fine.

2) I created a openbox pipe menu script to provide an interface to my Music
Player Daemon.  It was based in large part on another guys (I'm too lazy to
look up his name) python script.  I added a playlist listing functionality,
drawing on the obm-dir concept of breaking up a large list into multiple
submenus.  This works fine up until about 500 entries.  Then one menu tries
to keep from going off the top of the screen and the submenu tries to not go
off the bottom.  This is aggravated by the fact the the top of the submenu
refuses to move from it's postion directly to the right of the pipemenu
item.  Is there a (builtin) way that I can tell that submenu to not achor to
it's parent?

Thanks ahead of time for all your help!



On 3/16/06, Troy Curtis Jr <troycurtisjr at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Wow!  So that is the problem...I would not have looked to openbox (since I
> know it's perfect :-) ).  I figured my problem was related to using X7.  As
> soon as firefox finishes it's compile I'm going to try it out. Thanks for
> email.
>
> Troy
>
>
> On 3/16/06, Mikael Magnusson <mangosoft at comhem.se> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 16 Mar 2006, Martin Lucina wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I've been wondering ever since I got myself an AMD64 workstation why
> > my
> > > Tasklist was not working with Openbox.  Yesterday I was playing with
> > > devilspie and found that wasn't working either, so I did some digging
> > and
> > > found debian bug #344076, which says that this is fixed in Openbox
> > CVS.
> > >
> > > Have downloaded the latest CVS and built myself a Debian package from
> > it and
> > > yay, everything works.
> > >
> > > Just wondering if we shouldn't get a new release out with these fixes,
> > since
> > > they would affect anyone running OB on 64-bit platforms?
> >
> > Basically because in the course of adding new features and fixing bugs,
> > i've introduced some new bugs that i haven't had time to fix yet...
> >
> > --
> > Mikael Magnusson
> >
>
>
>
> --
> "Beware of spyware. If you can, use the Firefox browser." - USA Today
> Download now at http://getfirefox.com
> Registered Linux User #354814 ( http://counter.li.org/)
>



--
"Beware of spyware. If you can, use the Firefox browser." - USA Today
Download now at http://getfirefox.com
Registered Linux User #354814 ( http://counter.li.org/)
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From neil at fnxweb.com  Fri Mar 17 03:01:45 2006
From: neil at fnxweb.com (Neil Bird)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:01:45 +0000
Subject: Openbox <-> Gnome window-list applet bug
Message-ID: <441A6CE9.9030102@fnxweb.com>


   I noticed that here at work (FC3) and also at home (FC4) with ob 3.3rc2 th 
Gnome window list doesn't get updated when windows change state (e.g., shaded).

   If I shade a window (mouse roller over title), windowlist doesn't register 
[puts '='s around window title] until I change desktops and come back (roller 
over desktop).

   Iconisation (minimise) does show up immediately.  This likely to be an ob 
or windowlist bug?


   I've also proviously noticed something that may be related;  I use 
'alltray' with mozilla's sunbird calendar to keep it in the ?panel 
notification area? when closed.  When I click the alltray icon to open sunbird 
[open, not start], it appears in the windowlist OK, but the click that closes 
it [back to the pna] does so, with the windowlist still showing it, until I 
again move off the desktop and back.

-- 
[neil at fnx ~]# rm -f .signature
[neil at fnx ~]# ls -l .signature
ls: .signature: No such file or directory
[neil at fnx ~]# exit



From pierre-yves at spootnik.org  Fri Mar 17 03:33:42 2006
From: pierre-yves at spootnik.org (pierre-yves at spootnik.org)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:33:42 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] 64-bit problems, new release?
In-Reply-To: <4419A715.9010500@kotelna.sk>
References: <4419A715.9010500@kotelna.sk>
Message-ID: <24672.193.252.148.11.1142584422.squirrel@193.252.148.11>

> Hi,
>
> I've been wondering ever since I got myself an AMD64 workstation why my
> Tasklist was not working with Openbox.  Yesterday I was playing with
> devilspie and found that wasn't working either, so I did some digging
> and found debian bug #344076, which says that this is fixed in Openbox
> CVS.
>
> Have downloaded the latest CVS and built myself a Debian package from it
> and yay, everything works.
>
> Just wondering if we shouldn't get a new release out with these fixes,
> since they would affect anyone running OB on 64-bit platforms?
>
> -mato
>

There's a lot more 64-bit issues in openbox actually, I'm tracking them
down on OpenBSD/amd64 which to say the least exposes these issues !
Openbox is plain unusable on this particular architecture. It seems to be
related to XChangeProperty XGetWindowProperty and type signedness/size,
but so far I've had no luck in getting it to work the right way.

Since 2 releases the default malloc in OpenBSD is extremely conservative and
triggers a lot of bugs so i think its related.

I have several reproducable errors but would like to trigger one outside of
a signal handler to get the full execution path.
Basically any app that sets atoms either crashes openbox or doesn't show up
(most noticeable are firefox and thunderbird which fail to show).

I hope david is listening and can provide with some pointers as where to
look for (life's a little less good at work with xfwm4 ;) )
Btw, works like a charm on OpenBSD/i386 too bad I don't have my sparc64 at
hand to test.

It'd be interesting if someone could link openbox to something like efence
on linux/amd64 and see if the same crashes occur.


From mato at kotelna.sk  Fri Mar 17 04:50:11 2006
From: mato at kotelna.sk (Martin Lucina)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:50:11 +0100
Subject: [openbox] 64-bit problems, new release?
In-Reply-To: <24672.193.252.148.11.1142584422.squirrel@193.252.148.11>
References: <4419A715.9010500@kotelna.sk> <24672.193.252.148.11.1142584422.squirrel@193.252.148.11>
Message-ID: <441A8653.7000404@kotelna.sk>

pierre-yves at spootnik.org wrote:

> I have several reproducable errors but would like to trigger one outside of
> a signal handler to get the full execution path.
> Basically any app that sets atoms either crashes openbox or doesn't show up
> (most noticeable are firefox and thunderbird which fail to show).

Well I have no problems with the latest CVS.  It "just works".

> Btw, works like a charm on OpenBSD/i386 too bad I don't have my sparc64 at
> hand to test.

If you're using sparc64 it's possible there may be some endianness
issues somewhere that aren't showing up on adm64?

> It'd be interesting if someone could link openbox to something like efence
> on linux/amd64 and see if the same crashes occur.

I can try running it under valgrind for instance, but I'm not getting
any crashes... give me an example of how to reproducibly crash it and
I'll try.

-mato


From pierre-yves at spootnik.org  Fri Mar 17 05:19:42 2006
From: pierre-yves at spootnik.org (Pierre-Yves Ritschard)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:19:42 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] 64-bit problems, new release?
In-Reply-To: <441A8653.7000404@kotelna.sk>
References: <4419A715.9010500@kotelna.sk>
    <24672.193.252.148.11.1142584422.squirrel@193.252.148.11>
    <441A8653.7000404@kotelna.sk>
Message-ID: <1688.193.252.148.11.1142590782.squirrel@193.252.148.11>

> pierre-yves at spootnik.org wrote:
>
>> I have several reproducable errors but would like to trigger one outside
>> of
>> a signal handler to get the full execution path.
>> Basically any app that sets atoms either crashes openbox or doesn't show
>> up
>> (most noticeable are firefox and thunderbird which fail to show).
>
> Well I have no problems with the latest CVS.  It "just works".

On what OS ? I'm going to check CVS out right now. Thanks.



From pierre-yves at spootnik.org  Fri Mar 17 05:33:39 2006
From: pierre-yves at spootnik.org (Pierre-Yves Ritschard)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:33:39 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] 64-bit problems, new release?
In-Reply-To: <1688.193.252.148.11.1142590782.squirrel@193.252.148.11>
References: <4419A715.9010500@kotelna.sk>   
    <24672.193.252.148.11.1142584422.squirrel@193.252.148.11>   
    <441A8653.7000404@kotelna.sk>
    <1688.193.252.148.11.1142590782.squirrel@193.252.148.11>
Message-ID: <7593.193.252.148.11.1142591619.squirrel@193.252.148.11>

>> pierre-yves at spootnik.org wrote:
>>
>>> I have several reproducable errors but would like to trigger one
>>> outside
>>> of
>>> a signal handler to get the full execution path.
>>> Basically any app that sets atoms either crashes openbox or doesn't
>>> show
>>> up
>>> (most noticeable are firefox and thunderbird which fail to show).
>>
>> Well I have no problems with the latest CVS.  It "just works".
>
> On what OS ? I'm going to check CVS out right now. Thanks.
>
>
Ahah my last modification fixed exactly the same problem, casts to gulong
instead of guint32 when getting/setting properties.
Great!


From david at chalkskeletons.com  Fri Mar 17 05:47:56 2006
From: david at chalkskeletons.com (David Barr)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:47:56 +0000
Subject: stylebox
Message-ID: <1142592476.7614.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

This is one for the old school, perhaps even a chance to show some old
school moves, maybe even show off your body popping or robot.

if anyone has a copy of stylebox (an openbox theme editor of yesterday)
it was written in python by katanalynx (ava jarvis) it won't work with
openbox3, but if i recall it only needs a few changes, paths, and a few
additions/changes to part of the themerc

like most think openbox it has disappeared from the interweb

could they send it to me or the list (probably not to the list as it is
quite big) 

if you have i would be very very grateful, as woudl some other, it was a
classy bit of kit

cheers

David



From m.kolme at gmail.com  Fri Mar 17 06:41:07 2006
From: m.kolme at gmail.com (Manuel Colmenero)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:41:07 +0100
Subject: [openbox] stylebox
In-Reply-To: <1142592476.7614.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1142592476.7614.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20060317124107.17e0bcfa.m.kolme@gmail.com>

On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:47:56 +0000
David Barr <david at chalkskeletons.com> wrote:

> if anyone has a copy of stylebox (an openbox theme editor of yesterday)
> it was written in python by katanalynx (ava jarvis) it won't work with
> openbox3, but if i recall it only needs a few changes, paths, and a few
> additions/changes to part of the themerc

If you find it, send it to me - I was thinking of writing a style editor in python! I started to play writing obrender bindings for python (To hava sort of a WYSIWYG). There's a script that comes with Openbox to update old styles. Particularly the function "simple_replace" may be really useful. 

BTW, then I thought about using these obrender bindings with pypanel too. The modified version of pypanel (See the picture, which is sort of a living-mockup, it doesn't use obrender yet). I use this "living mockup" and like it so much that I started writing it from scratch in C, some sort of fspanel using obrender.

Anyone interested in these stuff?

-- 
m.kolme en gmail.com
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From mato at kotelna.sk  Fri Mar 17 07:05:28 2006
From: mato at kotelna.sk (Martin Lucina)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:05:28 +0100
Subject: [openbox] 64-bit problems, new release?
In-Reply-To: <1688.193.252.148.11.1142590782.squirrel@193.252.148.11>
References: <4419A715.9010500@kotelna.sk>    <24672.193.252.148.11.1142584422.squirrel@193.252.148.11>    <441A8653.7000404@kotelna.sk> <1688.193.252.148.11.1142590782.squirrel@193.252.148.11>
Message-ID: <441AA608.8090500@kotelna.sk>

Pierre-Yves Ritschard wrote:

> On what OS ? I'm going to check CVS out right now. Thanks.
> 
Debian sarge.

Having said that when I got to work this morning, I unlocked my 
xscreensaver and found the X session unresponsive to the keyboard 
(including C-A-Fx).  Killing openbox and restarting it solved the 
problem.  Possibly irrelevant, but it's never happened before.

-mato


From mangosoft at comhem.se  Fri Mar 17 07:24:12 2006
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:24:12 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] stylebox
In-Reply-To: <1142592476.7614.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1142592476.7614.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0603171322450.7597@localhost>


From mangosoft at comhem.se  Fri Mar 17 07:31:08 2006
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:31:08 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] stylebox
In-Reply-To: <1142592476.7614.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1142592476.7614.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0603171328570.7965@localhost>

On Fri, 17 Mar 2006, David Barr wrote:

> This is one for the old school, perhaps even a chance to show some old
> school moves, maybe even show off your body popping or robot.
>
> if anyone has a copy of stylebox (an openbox theme editor of yesterday)
> it was written in python by katanalynx (ava jarvis) it won't work with
> openbox3, but if i recall it only needs a few changes, paths, and a few
> additions/changes to part of the themerc
>
> like most think openbox it has disappeared from the interweb
>
> could they send it to me or the list (probably not to the list as it is
> quite big)
>
> if you have i would be very very grateful, as woudl some other, it was a
> classy bit of kit

I seem to have it in an old mail from last year, i just tried resending it 
but something seems to not have worked, i'll just put it up at the openbox 
site: http://www.icculus.org/openbox/stylebox/

--
Mikael Magnusson


From fajoes at papaxiclas.com  Fri Mar 17 08:11:09 2006
From: fajoes at papaxiclas.com (=?ISO-8859-1?B?Sm/jbw==?= Pedro Soares Henriques)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:11:09 +0000
Subject: [openbox] stylebox
In-Reply-To: <20060317124107.17e0bcfa.m.kolme@gmail.com>
References: <1142592476.7614.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20060317124107.17e0bcfa.m.kolme@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060317131109.c390efc7.fajoes@papaxiclas.com>

On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:41:07 +0100
Manuel Colmenero <m.kolme at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:47:56 +0000
> David Barr <david at chalkskeletons.com> wrote:
> 
> > if anyone has a copy of stylebox (an openbox theme editor of yesterday)
> > it was written in python by katanalynx (ava jarvis) it won't work with
> > openbox3, but if i recall it only needs a few changes, paths, and a few
> > additions/changes to part of the themerc
> 
> If you find it, send it to me - I was thinking of writing a style editor in python! I started to play writing obrender bindings for python (To hava sort of a WYSIWYG). There's a script that comes with Openbox to update old styles. Particularly the function "simple_replace" may be really useful. 
> 
> BTW, then I thought about using these obrender bindings with pypanel too. The modified version of pypanel (See the picture, which is sort of a living-mockup, it doesn't use obrender yet). I use this "living mockup" and like it so much that I started writing it from scratch in C, some sort of fspanel using obrender.
> 
> Anyone interested in these stuff?
> 
> -- 
> m.kolme en gmail.com
> 

Your modified pypanel seems quite interesting, where can I get it?
A panel as good as pypanel writen in C looks really interesting.
I'd like to help but I never tried to do anything like it, but I am a
good learner.

-- 
Jo?o Henriques <joaopedrohenriques at gmail.com>


From brandoncash at gmail.com  Fri Mar 17 11:25:48 2006
From: brandoncash at gmail.com (Brandon Cash)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:25:48 -0600
Subject: [openbox] stylebox
In-Reply-To: <20060317131109.c390efc7.fajoes@papaxiclas.com>
References: <1142592476.7614.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<20060317124107.17e0bcfa.m.kolme@gmail.com> <20060317131109.c390efc7.fajoes@papaxiclas.com>
Message-ID: <441AE30C.9020006@gmail.com>

Jo?o Pedro Soares Henriques wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:41:07 +0100
> Manuel Colmenero <m.kolme at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:47:56 +0000
>> David Barr <david at chalkskeletons.com> wrote:
>>
>>> if anyone has a copy of stylebox (an openbox theme editor of yesterday)
>>> it was written in python by katanalynx (ava jarvis) it won't work with
>>> openbox3, but if i recall it only needs a few changes, paths, and a few
>>> additions/changes to part of the themerc
>> If you find it, send it to me - I was thinking of writing a style editor in python! I started to play writing obrender bindings for python (To hava sort of a WYSIWYG). There's a script that comes with Openbox to update old styles. Particularly the function "simple_replace" may be really useful. 
>>
>> BTW, then I thought about using these obrender bindings with pypanel too. The modified version of pypanel (See the picture, which is sort of a living-mockup, it doesn't use obrender yet). I use this "living mockup" and like it so much that I started writing it from scratch in C, some sort of fspanel using obrender.
>>
>> Anyone interested in these stuff?
>>
>> -- 
>> m.kolme en gmail.com
>>
> 
> Your modified pypanel seems quite interesting, where can I get it?
> A panel as good as pypanel writen in C looks really interesting.
> I'd like to help but I never tried to do anything like it, but I am a
> good learner.
> 

I second that.  I've been toying around with the idea of writing a panel 
from scratch with C (although a obrender panel would be quite nice as 
well), so I would be interested in helping with that project.

Keep me apprised.

-- Brandon Cash


From doukas at ceid.upatras.gr  Fri Mar 17 16:46:31 2006
From: doukas at ceid.upatras.gr (doukas at ceid.upatras.gr)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 23:46:31 +0200
Subject: Fonts problem
Message-ID: <1142631991.441b2e379e16f@my.ceid.upatras.gr>


Hiz list!!

I seem to have a problem with my ob3 fonts and i cannot find a solution!!

The problem is that if i try to enable font shadows (shadow=y) in the font
section of the themerc file of a theme ob3 cannot find the fonts. The exact
message i get is "ObRender-WARNING: unable to load font .... Trying fallback font"

To make myself more clear if for example i have in my themerc file smt like:

"window.active.label.text.font: bistream vera sans:bold:pixelsize=10"

then everything is alrigth (except that i dont have shadows :) )

If i try smth like that:

"window.active.label.text.font: bistream vera sans:bold:pixelsize=10:shadow=y"

then ob3 seems to not be able to load the fonts.

For ur information i am using the modullar xorg-7.0r1 and i am starting to
thinking that the problem has smth to do with that, cause i ve used ob3 in the
past with xorg-6.8 and i hadn't any problem at all!!

If anyone has any clue i would be gladfull :) !!




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From m.kolme at gmail.com  Sat Mar 18 17:32:23 2006
From: m.kolme at gmail.com (Manuel Colmenero)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 23:32:23 +0100
Subject: [openbox] stylebox
In-Reply-To: <20060317131109.c390efc7.fajoes@papaxiclas.com>
References: <1142592476.7614.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20060317124107.17e0bcfa.m.kolme@gmail.com>
	<20060317131109.c390efc7.fajoes@papaxiclas.com>
Message-ID: <20060318233223.38a664f0.m.kolme@gmail.com>

On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:11:09 +0000
Jo?o Pedro Soares Henriques <fajoes at papaxiclas.com> wrote:

> Your modified pypanel seems quite interesting, where can I get it?
> A panel as good as pypanel writen in C looks really interesting.
> I'd like to help but I never tried to do anything like it, but I am a
> good learner.

These are my PyPanel mods:

- You can choose between different backgrounds:
  good ol' transparent, an image, or obrender

- Some bugfixes and speed-ups (I sent them to Pypanel creator some
  time ago, hopefully he'll merge them.)

- An sane autohide behaviour (you can update the clock every 20 seconds
  without having to wait 20 secs for it to hide)

- "Graphical" pager (you know, four squares in a row)

You can try it without installing:
sh compile.sh
./pypanel pypanelrc

And installing, as a root:
python setup.py install

I'm sorry to send this to the list, but I don't have personal webpage
or anything.

-- 
kolme -at- telefonica.net


From mangosoft at comhem.se  Sat Mar 18 17:38:36 2006
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 23:38:36 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] stylebox
In-Reply-To: <20060318233223.38a664f0.m.kolme@gmail.com>
References: <1142592476.7614.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
 <20060317124107.17e0bcfa.m.kolme@gmail.com> <20060317131109.c390efc7.fajoes@papaxiclas.com>
 <20060318233223.38a664f0.m.kolme@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0603182338170.16801@localhost>

On Sat, 18 Mar 2006, Manuel Colmenero wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:11:09 +0000
> Jo?o Pedro Soares Henriques <fajoes at papaxiclas.com> wrote:
>
>> Your modified pypanel seems quite interesting, where can I get it?
>> A panel as good as pypanel writen in C looks really interesting.
>> I'd like to help but I never tried to do anything like it, but I am a
>> good learner.
>
> These are my PyPanel mods:
>
> - You can choose between different backgrounds:
>  good ol' transparent, an image, or obrender
>
> - Some bugfixes and speed-ups (I sent them to Pypanel creator some
>  time ago, hopefully he'll merge them.)
>
> - An sane autohide behaviour (you can update the clock every 20 seconds
>  without having to wait 20 secs for it to hide)
>
> - "Graphical" pager (you know, four squares in a row)
>
> You can try it without installing:
> sh compile.sh
> ./pypanel pypanelrc
>
> And installing, as a root:
> python setup.py install
>
> I'm sorry to send this to the list, but I don't have personal webpage
> or anything.

You don't have to be sorry because you didn't actually send anything it 
seems.

--
Mikael Magnusson

From mfitzgib at simla.colostate.edu  Sat Mar 18 17:40:08 2006
From: mfitzgib at simla.colostate.edu (Matthew M. Fitzgibbons)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 15:40:08 -0700
Subject: [openbox] stylebox
In-Reply-To: <20060318233223.38a664f0.m.kolme@gmail.com>
References: <1142592476.7614.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<20060317124107.17e0bcfa.m.kolme@gmail.com>	<20060317131109.c390efc7.fajoes@papaxiclas.com> <20060318233223.38a664f0.m.kolme@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <441C8C48.1050005@simla.colostate.edu>

Sorry... I'm sometimes a bit quick with the delete key... where can I 
find your pypanel mods? I'd love to try them out.

Slainte,
Matthew

>
>These are my PyPanel mods:
>
>- You can choose between different backgrounds:
>  good ol' transparent, an image, or obrender
>
>- Some bugfixes and speed-ups (I sent them to Pypanel creator some
>  time ago, hopefully he'll merge them.)
>
>- An sane autohide behaviour (you can update the clock every 20 seconds
>  without having to wait 20 secs for it to hide)
>
>- "Graphical" pager (you know, four squares in a row)
>
>You can try it without installing:
>sh compile.sh
>./pypanel pypanelrc
>
>And installing, as a root:
>python setup.py install
>
>I'm sorry to send this to the list, but I don't have personal webpage
>or anything.
>  
>


From m.kolme at gmail.com  Sat Mar 18 17:44:14 2006
From: m.kolme at gmail.com (Manuel Colmenero)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 23:44:14 +0100
Subject: [openbox] stylebox
In-Reply-To: <20060318233223.38a664f0.m.kolme@gmail.com>
References: <1142592476.7614.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20060317124107.17e0bcfa.m.kolme@gmail.com>
	<20060317131109.c390efc7.fajoes@papaxiclas.com>
	<20060318233223.38a664f0.m.kolme@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060318234414.54e5b981.m.kolme@gmail.com>


There it goes :-P

-- 
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From cothrige at bellsouth.net  Tue Mar 21 13:52:02 2006
From: cothrige at bellsouth.net (cothrige)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:52:02 -0600
Subject: Tiling windows?
Message-ID: <20060321185202.GA31921@celephais.launchmodem.com>

Is it possible in Openbox to tile windows, such as Fluxbox's
ArrangeWindows command?  Often I need to bring two windows side by
side or one on top of the other in order to read from one and work in
the other.  As it is now, I have to manually move them and resize them
until I have a decent layout.  It would certainly be nice if I had a
way to automatically do this.  Any suggestions?

Many thanks,

Patrick




From mangosoft at comhem.se  Tue Mar 21 13:59:55 2006
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:59:55 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] Tiling windows?
In-Reply-To: <20060321185202.GA31921@celephais.launchmodem.com>
References: <20060321185202.GA31921@celephais.launchmodem.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0603211958420.4058@localhost>

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006, cothrige wrote:

> Is it possible in Openbox to tile windows, such as Fluxbox's
> ArrangeWindows command?  Often I need to bring two windows side by
> side or one on top of the other in order to read from one and work in
> the other.  As it is now, I have to manually move them and resize them
> until I have a decent layout.  It would certainly be nice if I had a
> way to automatically do this.  Any suggestions?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Patrick

You may want to look into the GrowToEdge{west,east etc} and 
MoveToEdge{west,east etc} actions, and possible horizontal/vertical 
maximize. But there is no tile option!

--
Mikael Magnusson


From cothrige at bellsouth.net  Tue Mar 21 14:11:16 2006
From: cothrige at bellsouth.net (cothrige)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:11:16 -0600
Subject: [openbox] Tiling windows?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0603211958420.4058@localhost>
References: <20060321185202.GA31921@celephais.launchmodem.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0603211958420.4058@localhost>
Message-ID: <20060321191116.GA1812@celephais.launchmodem.com>

* Mikael Magnusson (mangosoft at comhem.se) wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Mar 2006, cothrige wrote:
>
> You may want to look into the GrowToEdge{west,east etc} and 
> MoveToEdge{west,east etc} actions, and possible horizontal/vertical 
> maximize. But there is no tile option!
> 

I think I can see how that would work, but it seems that it would be a
bit cumbersome.  Very unfortunate that there is no tile option.  This
and desktop warping would be very nice to have, and so far seem to be
the only real gaps in this WM.  At least the only ones which have
affected me.

Patrick




From clay.barnes at gmail.com  Wed Mar 22 11:16:58 2006
From: clay.barnes at gmail.com (Clay Barnes)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:16:58 -0700
Subject: [openbox] Tiling windows?
In-Reply-To: <20060321191116.GA1812@celephais.launchmodem.com>
References: <20060321185202.GA31921@celephais.launchmodem.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0603211958420.4058@localhost> <20060321191116.GA1812@celephais.launchmodem.com>
Message-ID: <4421787A.5010904@gmail.com>

cothrige wrote
> * Mikael Magnusson (mangosoft at comhem.se) wrote:
>   
>> On Tue, 21 Mar 2006, cothrige wrote:
>>
>> You may want to look into the GrowToEdge{west,east etc} and 
>> MoveToEdge{west,east etc} actions, and possible horizontal/vertical 
>> maximize. But there is no tile option!
>>     
> I think I can see how that would work, but it seems that it would be a
> bit cumbersome.  Very unfortunate that there is no tile option.  This
> and desktop warping would be very nice to have, and so far seem to be
> the only real gaps in this WM.  At least the only ones which have
> affected me.
>
> Patrick
>   
I agree that one of the (if not _the_) most needed (well, wanted) 
features is window arrangement/tiling.  Both my friend and I (the only 
OB3 users I know) sorely miss it from FluxBox (from which we both migrated).

I detailed a three-tier arrange windows command design, though either of 
the last two, if implemented, would be very serviceable.  The bugzilla 
is #2320 ( https://bugzilla.icculus.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2320 ).

--Clay


From cothrige at bellsouth.net  Wed Mar 22 15:33:09 2006
From: cothrige at bellsouth.net (cothrige)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:33:09 -0600
Subject: [openbox] Tiling windows?
In-Reply-To: <4421787A.5010904@gmail.com>
References: <20060321185202.GA31921@celephais.launchmodem.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0603211958420.4058@localhost> <20060321191116.GA1812@celephais.launchmodem.com> <4421787A.5010904@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060322203309.GA6054@celephais.launchmodem.com>

* Clay Barnes (clay.barnes at gmail.com) wrote:
> I agree that one of the (if not _the_) most needed (well, wanted) 
> features is window arrangement/tiling.  Both my friend and I (the only 
> OB3 users I know) sorely miss it from FluxBox (from which we both migrated).
> 
> I detailed a three-tier arrange windows command design, though either of 
> the last two, if implemented, would be very serviceable.  The bugzilla 
> is #2320 ( https://bugzilla.icculus.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2320 ).
> 

Yes, that looks pretty much exactly like what is needed.  I also liked
Fluxbox, and this really does seem to be the one feature that is
needed to displace that WM entirely for me.  

Patrick


From clay.barnes at gmail.com  Wed Mar 22 17:21:00 2006
From: clay.barnes at gmail.com (Clay Barnes)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:21:00 -0700
Subject: [openbox] Tiling windows?
In-Reply-To: <20060322203309.GA6054@celephais.launchmodem.com>
References: <20060321185202.GA31921@celephais.launchmodem.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0603211958420.4058@localhost> <20060321191116.GA1812@celephais.launchmodem.com> <4421787A.5010904@gmail.com> <20060322203309.GA6054@celephais.launchmodem.com>
Message-ID: <4421CDCC.50707@gmail.com>

cothrige wrote:
> * Clay Barnes (clay.barnes at gmail.com) wrote:
>   
>> I agree that one of the (if not _the_) most needed (well, wanted) 
>> features is window arrangement/tiling.  Both my friend and I (the only 
>> OB3 users I know) sorely miss it from FluxBox (from which we both migrated).
>>
>> I detailed a three-tier arrange windows command design, though either of 
>> the last two, if implemented, would be very serviceable.  The bugzilla 
>> is #2320 ( https://bugzilla.icculus.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2320 ).
>>     
> Yes, that looks pretty much exactly like what is needed.  I also liked
> Fluxbox, and this really does seem to be the one feature that is
> needed to displace that WM entirely for me.  
>
> Patrick
>   
Mikael, what's the interest in doing this?  I'd patch it myself if I 
didn't have 22 units (7 classes) and two jobs to deal with (and my C 
weren't quite so rusty).  I'd really love to see this added for 3.3.  
Perhaps if I can help with other parts of the project (docs or
quick-and-easy minor patches) would you have the time needed to do this?

--Clay


From daf at minuslab.net  Wed Mar 22 17:23:09 2006
From: daf at minuslab.net (Dave Foster)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:23:09 -0500
Subject: [openbox] Tiling windows?
In-Reply-To: <4421CDCC.50707@gmail.com>
References: <20060321185202.GA31921@celephais.launchmodem.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0603211958420.4058@localhost> <20060321191116.GA1812@celephais.launchmodem.com> <4421787A.5010904@gmail.com> <20060322203309.GA6054@celephais.launchmodem.com> <4421CDCC.50707@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4421CE4D.1040500@minuslab.net>

Hi Clay, off topic, but could you turn off your read receipt for your 
mails?  Kind of annoying.

thanks.


Clay Barnes wrote:
> cothrige wrote:
>> * Clay Barnes (clay.barnes at gmail.com) wrote:
>>  
>>> I agree that one of the (if not _the_) most needed (well, wanted) 
>>> features is window arrangement/tiling.  Both my friend and I (the 
>>> only OB3 users I know) sorely miss it from FluxBox (from which we 
>>> both migrated).
>>>
>>> I detailed a three-tier arrange windows command design, though 
>>> either of the last two, if implemented, would be very serviceable.  
>>> The bugzilla is #2320 ( 
>>> https://bugzilla.icculus.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2320 ).
>>>     
>> Yes, that looks pretty much exactly like what is needed.  I also liked
>> Fluxbox, and this really does seem to be the one feature that is
>> needed to displace that WM entirely for me. 
>> Patrick
>>   
> Mikael, what's the interest in doing this?  I'd patch it myself if I 
> didn't have 22 units (7 classes) and two jobs to deal with (and my C 
> weren't quite so rusty).  I'd really love to see this added for 3.3.  
> Perhaps if I can help with other parts of the project (docs or
> quick-and-easy minor patches) would you have the time needed to do this?
>
> --Clay



From clay.barnes at gmail.com  Thu Mar 23 03:13:52 2006
From: clay.barnes at gmail.com (Clay Barnes)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 01:13:52 -0700
Subject: [openbox] Tiling windows?
In-Reply-To: <4421CE4D.1040500@minuslab.net>
References: <20060321185202.GA31921@celephais.launchmodem.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0603211958420.4058@localhost> <20060321191116.GA1812@celephais.launchmodem.com> <4421787A.5010904@gmail.com> <20060322203309.GA6054@celephais.launchmodem.com> <4421CDCC.50707@gmail.com> <4421CE4D.1040500@minuslab.net>
Message-ID: <442258C0.6030703@gmail.com>

Dave Foster wrote:
> Hi Clay, off topic, but could you turn off your read receipt for your 
> mails?  Kind of annoying.
>
> thanks.
Sorry!  I keep forgetting that I have that on.  My apologies!

-Clay
> Clay Barnes wrote:
>> cothrige wrote:
>>> * Clay Barnes (clay.barnes at gmail.com) wrote:
>>>  
>>>> I agree that one of the (if not _the_) most needed (well, wanted) 
>>>> features is window arrangement/tiling.  Both my friend and I (the 
>>>> only OB3 users I know) sorely miss it from FluxBox (from which we 
>>>> both migrated).
>>>>
>>>> I detailed a three-tier arrange windows command design, though 
>>>> either of the last two, if implemented, would be very serviceable.  
>>>> The bugzilla is #2320 ( 
>>>> https://bugzilla.icculus.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2320 ).
>>>>     
>>> Yes, that looks pretty much exactly like what is needed.  I also liked
>>> Fluxbox, and this really does seem to be the one feature that is
>>> needed to displace that WM entirely for me. Patrick
>>>   
>> Mikael, what's the interest in doing this?  I'd patch it myself if I 
>> didn't have 22 units (7 classes) and two jobs to deal with (and my C 
>> weren't quite so rusty).  I'd really love to see this added for 3.3.  
>> Perhaps if I can help with other parts of the project (docs or
>> quick-and-easy minor patches) would you have the time needed to do this?
>>
>> --Clay
>
>



From neil at fnxweb.com  Thu Mar 23 03:32:54 2006
From: neil at fnxweb.com (Neil Bird)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 08:32:54 +0000
Subject: [openbox] Tiling windows?
In-Reply-To: <4421787A.5010904@gmail.com>
References: <20060321185202.GA31921@celephais.launchmodem.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0603211958420.4058@localhost> <20060321191116.GA1812@celephais.launchmodem.com> <4421787A.5010904@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44225D36.6000903@fnxweb.com>

Around about 22/03/06 16:16, Clay Barnes typed ...
> I detailed a three-tier arrange windows command design, though either of 
> the last two, if implemented, would be very serviceable.  The bugzilla 
> is #2320 ( https://bugzilla.icculus.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2320 ).

   Is it feasible to do this sort of thing in perl via wmctrl?

-- 
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From keeling at spots.ab.ca  Mon Mar 27 15:50:45 2006
From: keeling at spots.ab.ca (s. keeling)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:50:45 -0700
Subject: FAQ No. 4: can we talk?
Message-ID: <20060327205045.GB29496@infidel.spots.ab.ca>

I imagine this may be an old and painful subject.  Sorry.

        --------------------------------------
4. When I lower, raise or move windows with a keybinding, focus
   doesn't follow the mouse!

   This is a feature, how large is the chance that the mouse
   accidentally enters a window you want to focus when you move or
   lower/raise something?
        --------------------------------------

What does that explanation have to do with anything?  Surely you
understand what "focus follows mouse" means.  I do, which is why I
selected to use it.  I assume that a window rolled up will give focus
to whatever window was immediately under it.  I can easily deal with
that.

What I can't deal with is editing a file in emacs, rolling it up,
typing into another window ... thereby corrupting the file I was editing
in emacs because focus remained in the emacs window.  "Hello.  Didn't I
just tell you to roll up?  In fact, I saw you roll up.  Why are you
continuing to accept keystrokes?"

How can you possibly consider such behaviour "a feature?"  At the very
least, *lose* focus forcing me to click on something, or make such
detestable behaviour a user configurable option.

Sorry for any ruffled feathers I've caused with this; no insult
intended.  This just strikes me as bizarre and potentially dangerous
behaviour.  Now that I know it's there, I can deal with it.  Newcomers
to OpenBox will wonder for days why everytime they return to an old
buffer, there's gibberish characters right before their cursor.


-- 
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
(*)               http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling 
- -


From k-zed at hactar.net  Tue Mar 28 01:51:46 2006
From: k-zed at hactar.net (Nagy Mate)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:51:46 +0200
Subject: [openbox] FAQ No. 4: can we talk?
In-Reply-To: <20060327205045.GB29496@infidel.spots.ab.ca>
References: <20060327205045.GB29496@infidel.spots.ab.ca>
Message-ID: <20060328065146.GA6723@arisu.hactar.net>

greetings,
> What I can't deal with is editing a file in emacs, rolling it up,
> typing into another window ... thereby corrupting the file I was editing
> in emacs because focus remained in the emacs window.  "Hello.  Didn't I
> just tell you to roll up?  In fact, I saw you roll up.  Why are you
> continuing to accept keystrokes?"
> 
> How can you possibly consider such behaviour "a feature?"  At the very
> least, *lose* focus forcing me to click on something, or make such
> detestable behaviour a user configurable option.
 it's a feature. in fact, there's another feature: rc.xml, in which this
problem is fixable (and i did it). it's easy too.

Mate
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From tore at linpro.no  Thu Mar 30 14:24:57 2006
From: tore at linpro.no (Tore Anderson)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:24:57 +0200
Subject: [openbox] FAQ No. 4: can we talk?
In-Reply-To: <20060327205045.GB29496@infidel.spots.ab.ca>
References: <20060327205045.GB29496@infidel.spots.ab.ca>
Message-ID: <1143746697.28564.117.camel@echo.e.linpro.no>

* s. keeling

>         --------------------------------------
> 4. When I lower, raise or move windows with a keybinding, focus
>    doesn't follow the mouse!
> 
>    This is a feature, how large is the chance that the mouse
>    accidentally enters a window you want to focus when you move or
>    lower/raise something?
>         --------------------------------------
>
> What does that explanation have to do with anything?

  Consider the following use case:

  +-------+      +-----+
  | +-------+    |   * |
  | |       |    +-----+
  | |  C.F. |
  +-|       |
    +-------+

  The pointer is at *, and C.F. means currently focused.  So you lower
 or shade/roll up C.F. using a keybinding, and:

> I assume that a window rolled up will give focus to whatever window
> was immediately under it.

  ...but it won't, if you use the pointer position as the key.  It will
 move to the rightmost window.  Did you expect or want that?  Even if
 the pointer was hovering over C.F. to begin with, you can't be certain
 to get the behaviour you want - if the pointer was hovering all the way
 to the right edge of C.F., for instance.

> Surely you understand what "focus follows mouse" means.

  Well.  I understand it so that when the mouse moves, so does the
 focus - "following" after the pointer.  Conversely, if the pointer do
 not move, I do not expect the focus to do so either.  I feel the
 current behaviour is correct.  I do not expect a _keyboard_ action to
 trigger any focusFollows_Mouse_ changes.  Why should I need to care
 about where the pointer is when I manipulate the windows using keyboard
 shortcuts?

  I think your problem could be solved by adding a "move focus to
 whatever window the pointer is hovering over"-action.  Then you could
 just chain that together with your lower-action, I'd opt not to, and
 we'd both be happy.  I'm sure Mikael would consider such a patch for
 inclusion.

  You might also want to take a look at the discussion in
 <https://bugzilla.icculus.org/show_bug.cgi?id=723>.

> At the very least, *lose* focus forcing me to click on something,

  I know there's an "unfocus" action.  Jugding by its name I would
 assume you can just invoke that after the "lower" action in your
 <keybind> block to achieve exactly what you suggest.

Regards
-- 
Tore Anderson



From m.kolme at gmail.com  Thu Mar 30 14:51:17 2006
From: m.kolme at gmail.com (Manuel Colmenero)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:51:17 +0200
Subject: [openbox] FAQ No. 4: can we talk?
In-Reply-To: <20060327205045.GB29496@infidel.spots.ab.ca>
References: <20060327205045.GB29496@infidel.spots.ab.ca>
Message-ID: <20060330215117.58e358ae.m.kolme@gmail.com>

On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:50:45 -0700
"s. keeling" <keeling at spots.ab.ca> wrote:

> [Rant]

I don't see the problem. Actually, Openbox's behavior is one of the most configurable I've ever seen. It works the way I expect it to work. And it's very polished, more than most other *boxes in my opinion.

Just tweak the rc.xml and Openbox will get out of your way and let you do stuff comfortably.

-- 
mkolme en gmail.com


From neil at fnxweb.com  Fri Mar 31 04:54:34 2006
From: neil at fnxweb.com (Neil Bird)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:54:34 +0100
Subject: [openbox] FAQ No. 4: can we talk?
In-Reply-To: <1143746697.28564.117.camel@echo.e.linpro.no>
References: <20060327205045.GB29496@infidel.spots.ab.ca> <1143746697.28564.117.camel@echo.e.linpro.no>
Message-ID: <442CFC5A.6040204@fnxweb.com>

Around about 30/03/06 20:24, Tore Anderson typed ...
>   Consider the following use case:
> 
>   +-------+      +-----+
>   | +-------+    |   * |
>   | |       |    +-----+
>   | |  C.F. |
>   +-|       |
>     +-------+
> 
>   The pointer is at *, and C.F. means currently focused.  So you lower
>  or shade/roll up C.F. using a keybinding, and:

   Actually, this shouldn't/couldn't happen with focus-follows-mouse, surely? 
  With the mouse at '*', the right-window would have focus, not C.F.

-- 
[neil at fnx ~]# rm -f .signature
[neil at fnx ~]# ls -l .signature
ls: .signature: No such file or directory
[neil at fnx ~]# exit


From neil at fnxweb.com  Fri Mar 31 05:04:26 2006
From: neil at fnxweb.com (Neil Bird)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 11:04:26 +0100
Subject: [openbox] FAQ No. 4: can we talk?
In-Reply-To: <1143746697.28564.117.camel@echo.e.linpro.no>
References: <20060327205045.GB29496@infidel.spots.ab.ca> <1143746697.28564.117.camel@echo.e.linpro.no>
Message-ID: <442CFEAA.4020807@fnxweb.com>

Around about 30/03/06 20:24, Tore Anderson typed ...
>   I think your problem could be solved by adding a "move focus to
>  whatever window the pointer is hovering over"-action.  Then you could
>  just chain that together with your lower-action, I'd opt not to, and
>  we'd both be happy.  I'm sure Mikael would consider such a patch for
>  inclusion.

   I use the attached, with:

<action name="Execute"><execute>refocus</execute></action>

   .. after actions I like to refocus after.  This works with window-shade. 
With desktop changes, I found I had to do:

<action name="Execute"><execute>refocus 0.01</execute></action>

   Works for me.  Arguably, an openbox patch to add this as an action (can't 
see yet what focus/unfocus actions do) would be cleaner, but it depends on Mikael.

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From neil at fnxweb.com  Fri Mar 31 05:06:07 2006
From: neil at fnxweb.com (Neil Bird)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 11:06:07 +0100
Subject: [openbox] FAQ No. 4: can we talk?
In-Reply-To: <442CFC5A.6040204@fnxweb.com>
References: <20060327205045.GB29496@infidel.spots.ab.ca> <1143746697.28564.117.camel@echo.e.linpro.no> <442CFC5A.6040204@fnxweb.com>
Message-ID: <442CFF0F.8090709@fnxweb.com>

Around about 31/03/06 10:54, Neil Bird typed ...
>   Actually, this shouldn't/couldn't happen with focus-follows-mouse, 
> surely?  With the mouse at '*', the right-window would have focus, not C.F.

   Sorry, being dense:  could change focus with keyboard.

-- 
[neil at fnx ~]# rm -f .signature
[neil at fnx ~]# ls -l .signature
ls: .signature: No such file or directory
[neil at fnx ~]# exit


