From nwatson at voicegenie.com  Wed Mar  3 19:15:31 2004
From: nwatson at voicegenie.com (Neil Watson)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 19:15:31 -0500
Subject: menu.xml
Message-ID: <20040304001531.GA12875@deathstar.voicegenie.com>

If I create the file ~/.config/openbox/menu.xml should that be displayed automatically?

example menu.xml:

<openbox_menu>
<menu id="mine" label="My Menu">

<item label="Web Browser F1">
    <action name="Execute">
    <execute>
        firefox
    </execute>
    </action>
</item>

</menu>
</openbox_menu>


-- 
Neil Watson
Network Administrator
www.voicegenie.com


From xor at orodu.net  Thu Mar  4 00:30:29 2004
From: xor at orodu.net (Ben Jansens)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 00:30:29 -0500
Subject: [openbox] menu.xml
In-Reply-To: <20040304001531.GA12875@deathstar.voicegenie.com>
References: <20040304001531.GA12875@deathstar.voicegenie.com>
Message-ID: <20040304053029.GF9223@orodu.net>

On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 07:15:31PM -0500, Neil Watson wrote:
> If I create the file ~/.config/openbox/menu.xml should that be displayed automatically?
> 
> example menu.xml:
> 
> <openbox_menu>
> <menu id="mine" label="My Menu">

If you bind something in your rc.xml to show the menu "mine", yea.

Ben
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From hgutmann at edu.uni-klu.ac.at  Thu Mar  4 07:27:48 2004
From: hgutmann at edu.uni-klu.ac.at (Horst Gutmann)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 13:27:48 +0100
Subject: titlelayout parameters?
Message-ID: <404720C4.4000205@edu.uni-klu.ac.at>

Hi there :-)

Is there somewhere a listing of all available parameters for the 
theme.titlelayout field in the rc.xml? I'd like to have the "Roll 
Up"-toggle there :-)

Horst


From mangosoft at comhem.se  Thu Mar  4 07:36:17 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 13:36:17 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] titlelayout parameters?
In-Reply-To: <404720C4.4000205@edu.uni-klu.ac.at>
References: <404720C4.4000205@edu.uni-klu.ac.at>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403041334500.15345@localhost>

On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Horst Gutmann wrote:

> Hi there :-)
> 
> Is there somewhere a listing of all available parameters for the 
> theme.titlelayout field in the rc.xml? I'd like to have the "Roll 
> Up"-toggle there :-)

i couldnt find one, but you want S, the others are n for icon, d for 
sticky, i for iconify, l for label, m for maximize and c for close

> Horst
> 

--
Mikael Magnusson


From nwatson at voicegenie.com  Thu Mar  4 08:22:01 2004
From: nwatson at voicegenie.com (Neil Watson)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 08:22:01 -0500
Subject: [openbox] menu.xml
In-Reply-To: <20040304053029.GF9223@orodu.net>
References: <20040304001531.GA12875@deathstar.voicegenie.com> <20040304053029.GF9223@orodu.net>
Message-ID: <20040304132201.GA16033@deathstar.voicegenie.com>

On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 12:30:29AM -0500, Ben Jansens wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 07:15:31PM -0500, Neil Watson wrote:
> > If I create the file ~/.config/openbox/menu.xml should that be displayed automatically?
> > 
> > example menu.xml:
> > 
> > <openbox_menu>
> > <menu id="mine" label="My Menu">
> 
> If you bind something in your rc.xml to show the menu "mine", yea.

How do you do that?

-- 
Neil Watson
Network Administrator
www.voicegenie.com


From darge at gmx.net  Thu Mar  4 08:22:14 2004
From: darge at gmx.net (Christian Timmer)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 14:22:14 +0100
Subject: [openbox] titlelayout parameters?
In-Reply-To: <404720C4.4000205@edu.uni-klu.ac.at>
References: <404720C4.4000205@edu.uni-klu.ac.at>
Message-ID: <20040304132214.GA6041@darks00l.org>

On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 01:27:48PM +0100, Horst Gutmann wrote:
> Hi there :-)
> 
> Is there somewhere a listing of all available parameters for the 
> theme.titlelayout field in the rc.xml? I'd like to have the "Roll 
> Up"-toggle there :-)
> 
> Horst
> 
Inside obconf you can find a list of all available parameters. Hould the mouse a few seconds over 'Button order' section 'Appearance'.

Christian



From hgutmann at edu.uni-klu.ac.at  Thu Mar  4 11:30:11 2004
From: hgutmann at edu.uni-klu.ac.at (Horst Gutmann)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 17:30:11 +0100
Subject: [openbox] titlelayout parameters?
In-Reply-To: <20040304132214.GA6041@darks00l.org>
References: <404720C4.4000205@edu.uni-klu.ac.at> <20040304132214.GA6041@darks00l.org>
Message-ID: <40475993.503@edu.uni-klu.ac.at>

Christian Timmer wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 01:27:48PM +0100, Horst Gutmann wrote:
> 
>>Hi there :-)
>>
>>Is there somewhere a listing of all available parameters for the 
>>theme.titlelayout field in the rc.xml? I'd like to have the "Roll 
>>Up"-toggle there :-)
>>
>>Horst
>>
> 
> Inside obconf you can find a list of all available parameters. Hould the mouse a few seconds over 'Button order' section 'Appearance'.
> 
> Christian
> 
> 
> 

Thanks you two :-)

Horst


From molter at tin.it  Tue Mar  9 10:17:30 2004
From: molter at tin.it (Marco Molteni)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 16:17:30 +0100
Subject: how to prevent openbox to grab keystrokes ?
Message-ID: <20040309151730.D72724377@gattaccio.codalunga>

Hi,

how do I prevent openbox to grab some keystrokes? Or, said in another
way, how do I send keystrokes to the focused window ?

Example: I am using VNC, and I like to set the vncviewer in full screen
mode. Say that the local and remote window managers are the same,
openbox. Say you have multiple desktops. Say you like using the keyboard
as much as possible.

When the vncviewer window is focused, I want the control-alt-left, control-alt-right keystrokes to change desktop on the remote machine,
not on the local machine.

For example, with icewm, one plays tricks with xmodmap and, when the
scroll lock key is set, the keystrokes are sent to the focused window
and not intercepted by the window manager.

Is there a way to obtain the same with openbox?

thanks
-- 
marco


From dub at lazy.shacknet.nu  Tue Mar  9 15:30:49 2004
From: dub at lazy.shacknet.nu (hungerburg)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 21:30:49 +0100
Subject: [openbox] how to prevent openbox to grab keystrokes ?
In-Reply-To: <20040309151730.D72724377@gattaccio.codalunga>
References: <20040309151730.D72724377@gattaccio.codalunga>
Message-ID: <20040309203049.GA20138@lazy.shacknet.nu>

On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 04:17:30PM +0100, Marco Molteni wrote:
> 
> Example: I am using VNC, and I like to set the vncviewer in full screen
> mode. Say that the local and remote window managers are the same,
> openbox. Say you have multiple desktops. Say you like using the keyboard
> as much as possible.
> 
> When the vncviewer window is focused, I want the control-alt-left,
> control-alt-right keystrokes to change desktop on the remote machine,
> not on the local machine.

with vnc 4.0b4 - realvnc.com - and fullscreen window, it already behaves
like that.  beware: the f8 key to get the menu only works with numlock off.

p.


From molter at tin.it  Tue Mar  9 16:05:43 2004
From: molter at tin.it (Marco Molteni)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 22:05:43 +0100
Subject: [openbox] how to prevent openbox to grab keystrokes ?
Message-ID: <20040309210544.06D9B4363@gattaccio.codalunga>

On Tue, 9 Mar 2004 21:30:49 +0100
hungerburg <dub at lazy.shacknet.nu> wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 04:17:30PM +0100, Marco Molteni wrote:
> > 
> > Example: I am using VNC, and I like to set the vncviewer in full
> > screen mode. Say that the local and remote window managers are the
> > same, openbox. Say you have multiple desktops. Say you like using
> > the keyboard as much as possible.
> > 
> > When the vncviewer window is focused, I want the control-alt-left,
> > control-alt-right keystrokes to change desktop on the remote
> > machine, not on the local machine.
> 
> with vnc 4.0b4 - realvnc.com - and fullscreen window, it already
> behaves like that.  beware: the f8 key to get the menu only works with
> numlock off.
> 

thanks, but I'd rather teach openbox not to grab keystrokes than
hoping to have a vnc client that works around this.

Also, not grabbing keystrokes can be useful for other applications
besides vnc.

marco


From nwatson at voicegenie.com  Tue Mar  9 16:17:17 2004
From: nwatson at voicegenie.com (Neil Watson)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 16:17:17 -0500
Subject: [openbox] how to prevent openbox to grab keystrokes ?
In-Reply-To: <20040309210544.06D9B4363@gattaccio.codalunga>
References: <20040309210544.06D9B4363@gattaccio.codalunga>
Message-ID: <20040309211717.GH4610@deathstar.voicegenie.com>

On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 10:05:43PM +0100, Marco Molteni wrote:
> Also, not grabbing keystrokes can be useful for other applications
> besides vnc.

I agree with you.  Midnight commander would work much better if Openbox did not grab my function keys.

-- 
Neil Watson
Network Administrator
www.voicegenie.com


From drjimmy42 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  9 16:22:01 2004
From: drjimmy42 at yahoo.com (John Russell)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 16:22:01 -0500
Subject: [openbox] how to prevent openbox to grab keystrokes ?
In-Reply-To: <20040309211717.GH4610@deathstar.voicegenie.com>
References: <20040309210544.06D9B4363@gattaccio.codalunga>
	 <20040309211717.GH4610@deathstar.voicegenie.com>
Message-ID: <1078867320.3461.9.camel@mendelssohn>

On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 16:17, Neil Watson wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 10:05:43PM +0100, Marco Molteni wrote:
> > Also, not grabbing keystrokes can be useful for other applications
> > besides vnc.
> 
> I agree with you.  Midnight commander would work much better if Openbox did not grab my function keys.

Are you still talking about remote desktops with MC?  
If not, then can't you just unset the keybindings in rc.xml?

John

-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.



From nwatson at voicegenie.com  Tue Mar  9 16:28:36 2004
From: nwatson at voicegenie.com (Neil Watson)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 16:28:36 -0500
Subject: [openbox] how to prevent openbox to grab keystrokes ?
In-Reply-To: <1078867320.3461.9.camel@mendelssohn>
References: <20040309210544.06D9B4363@gattaccio.codalunga> <20040309211717.GH4610@deathstar.voicegenie.com> <1078867320.3461.9.camel@mendelssohn>
Message-ID: <20040309212836.GI4610@deathstar.voicegenie.com>

On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 04:22:01PM -0500, John Russell wrote:
> On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 16:17, Neil Watson wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 10:05:43PM +0100, Marco Molteni wrote:
> > > Also, not grabbing keystrokes can be useful for other applications
> > > besides vnc.
> > 
> > I agree with you.  Midnight commander would work much better if Openbox did not grab my function keys.
> 
> Are you still talking about remote desktops with MC?  
> If not, then can't you just unset the keybindings in rc.xml?

No, I'm not talking about a remote desktop.  You ask a good question.  Is it possible to unset keybindings temporarily?

-- 
Neil Watson
Network Administrator
www.voicegenie.com


From molter at tin.it  Tue Mar  9 16:41:05 2004
From: molter at tin.it (Marco Molteni)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 22:41:05 +0100
Subject: [openbox] how to prevent openbox to grab keystrokes ?
In-Reply-To: <1078867320.3461.9.camel@mendelssohn>
References: <20040309210544.06D9B4363@gattaccio.codalunga>
	<20040309211717.GH4610@deathstar.voicegenie.com>
	<1078867320.3461.9.camel@mendelssohn>
Message-ID: <20040309214105.9ABD14363@gattaccio.codalunga>

On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 16:22:01 -0500
John Russell <drjimmy42 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 16:17, Neil Watson wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 10:05:43PM +0100, Marco Molteni wrote:
> > > Also, not grabbing keystrokes can be useful for other applications
> > > besides vnc.
> > 
> > I agree with you.  Midnight commander would work much better if
> > Openbox did not grab my function keys.
> 
> Are you still talking about remote desktops with MC?  
> If not, then can't you just unset the keybindings in rc.xml?

If I don't misundestand you, unsetting the keybindings in rc.xml
would have a global effect, i.e. I would loose the keybindings.
But I don't want to loose *any* binding :-)

What I am looking for is different: a way to _temporarily_ unset
the keybindings. This would allow for the keys to be passed to
the application that has keyboard focus.

For example, if scroll_lock is set, do not interpret the keystrokes.
If scroll_lock is not set, interpret the keystrokes as usual.

marco


From drjimmy42 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  9 16:49:05 2004
From: drjimmy42 at yahoo.com (John Russell)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 16:49:05 -0500
Subject: [openbox] how to prevent openbox to grab keystrokes ?
In-Reply-To: <20040309212836.GI4610@deathstar.voicegenie.com>
References: <20040309210544.06D9B4363@gattaccio.codalunga>
	 <20040309211717.GH4610@deathstar.voicegenie.com>
	 <1078867320.3461.9.camel@mendelssohn>
	 <20040309212836.GI4610@deathstar.voicegenie.com>
Message-ID: <1078868945.3462.12.camel@mendelssohn>

On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 16:28, Neil Watson wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 04:22:01PM -0500, John Russell wrote:
> > On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 16:17, Neil Watson wrote:
> > > On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 10:05:43PM +0100, Marco Molteni wrote:
> > > > Also, not grabbing keystrokes can be useful for other applications
> > > > besides vnc.
> > > 
> > > I agree with you.  Midnight commander would work much better if Openbox did not grab my function keys.
> > 
> > Are you still talking about remote desktops with MC?  
> > If not, then can't you just unset the keybindings in rc.xml?
> 
> No, I'm not talking about a remote desktop.  You ask a good question.  Is it possible to unset keybindings temporarily?

This does not answer the question, but in order not to step on emacs'
copious keybindings, I use the nested keybinding feature to put a not so
common prefix (ctrl-`) before some of my keybindings.  This doesn't
solve the vnc thing, but maybe you could put your function key bindings
behind a prefix so MC can have the function keys to itself.

John

-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.



From mangosoft at comhem.se  Tue Mar  9 17:01:20 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 23:01:20 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] how to prevent openbox to grab keystrokes ?
In-Reply-To: <20040309214105.9ABD14363@gattaccio.codalunga>
References: <20040309210544.06D9B4363@gattaccio.codalunga>
 <20040309211717.GH4610@deathstar.voicegenie.com> <1078867320.3461.9.camel@mendelssohn>
 <20040309214105.9ABD14363@gattaccio.codalunga>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403092300430.28889@localhost>

On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, Marco Molteni wrote:

> On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 16:22:01 -0500
> John Russell <drjimmy42 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 16:17, Neil Watson wrote:
> > > On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 10:05:43PM +0100, Marco Molteni wrote:
> > > > Also, not grabbing keystrokes can be useful for other applications
> > > > besides vnc.
> > > 
> > > I agree with you.  Midnight commander would work much better if
> > > Openbox did not grab my function keys.
> > 
> > Are you still talking about remote desktops with MC?  
> > If not, then can't you just unset the keybindings in rc.xml?
> 
> If I don't misundestand you, unsetting the keybindings in rc.xml
> would have a global effect, i.e. I would loose the keybindings.
> But I don't want to loose *any* binding :-)
> 
> What I am looking for is different: a way to _temporarily_ unset
> the keybindings. This would allow for the keys to be passed to
> the application that has keyboard focus.
> 
> For example, if scroll_lock is set, do not interpret the keystrokes.
> If scroll_lock is not set, interpret the keystrokes as usual.
> 
> marco

here's a semi-ugly hack for you

--
Mikael Magnusson
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Index: openbox/event.c
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/cvsroot/openbox/openbox/event.c,v
retrieving revision 1.225
diff -p -d -u -r1.225 event.c
--- openbox/event.c	15 Oct 2003 17:04:27 -0000	1.225
+++ openbox/event.c	9 Mar 2004 22:00:08 -0000
@@ -387,6 +387,7 @@ static void event_process(const XEvent *
     ObDockApp *dockapp = NULL;
     ObWindow *obwin = NULL;
     XEvent ee, *e;
+    gboolean scrolllock_pressed = !(ec->xkey.state & ScrollLockMask);
 
     /* make a copy we can mangle */
     ee = *ec;
@@ -479,7 +480,7 @@ static void event_process(const XEvent *
                 if (e->type == ButtonPress || e->type == ButtonRelease ||
                     e->type == MotionNotify)
                     mouse_event(client, e);
-                else if (e->type == KeyPress)
+                else if (e->type == KeyPress && scrollock_pressed)
                     keyboard_event((focus_cycle_target ? focus_cycle_target :
                                     (focus_hilite ? focus_hilite : client)),
                                    e);

From molter at tin.it  Wed Mar 10 02:59:08 2004
From: molter at tin.it (Marco Molteni)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 08:59:08 +0100
Subject: [openbox] how to prevent openbox to grab keystrokes ?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403092300430.28889@localhost>
References: <20040309210544.06D9B4363@gattaccio.codalunga>
	<20040309211717.GH4610@deathstar.voicegenie.com>
	<1078867320.3461.9.camel@mendelssohn>
	<20040309214105.9ABD14363@gattaccio.codalunga>
	<Pine.LNX.4.58.0403092300430.28889@localhost>
Message-ID: <20040310075908.7B36D4377@gattaccio.codalunga>

On Tue, 9 Mar 2004 23:01:20 +0100 (CET)
Mikael Magnusson <mangosoft at comhem.se> wrote:

> On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, Marco Molteni wrote:

[..]

> > What I am looking for is different: a way to _temporarily_ unset
> > the keybindings. This would allow for the keys to be passed to
> > the application that has keyboard focus.
> > 
> > For example, if scroll_lock is set, do not interpret the keystrokes.
> > If scroll_lock is not set, interpret the keystrokes as usual.
> > 
> > marco
> 
> here's a semi-ugly hack for you

Mikael,

thanks for the patch. I corrected a typo (scrolllock_pressed was
written once with 3 L and once with 2 L) and recompiled.

It works half and half, in the sense that if scroll_lock is set, openbox
doesn't grab the keystroke any more (and this is good), but it doesn't
pass the keystroke either to the focused windows (and so it doesn't
work)

thanks
marco


From mangosoft at comhem.se  Wed Mar 10 03:50:42 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:50:42 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] how to prevent openbox to grab keystrokes ?
In-Reply-To: <20040310075908.7B36D4377@gattaccio.codalunga>
References: <20040309210544.06D9B4363@gattaccio.codalunga>
 <20040309211717.GH4610@deathstar.voicegenie.com> <1078867320.3461.9.camel@mendelssohn>
 <20040309214105.9ABD14363@gattaccio.codalunga> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403092300430.28889@localhost>
 <20040310075908.7B36D4377@gattaccio.codalunga>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403100950260.30248@localhost>

On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, Marco Molteni wrote:

> On Tue, 9 Mar 2004 23:01:20 +0100 (CET)
> Mikael Magnusson <mangosoft at comhem.se> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, Marco Molteni wrote:
> 
> [..]
> 
> > > What I am looking for is different: a way to _temporarily_ unset
> > > the keybindings. This would allow for the keys to be passed to
> > > the application that has keyboard focus.
> > > 
> > > For example, if scroll_lock is set, do not interpret the keystrokes.
> > > If scroll_lock is not set, interpret the keystrokes as usual.
> > > 
> > > marco
> > 
> > here's a semi-ugly hack for you
> 
> Mikael,
> 
> thanks for the patch. I corrected a typo (scrolllock_pressed was
> written once with 3 L and once with 2 L) and recompiled.
> 
> It works half and half, in the sense that if scroll_lock is set, openbox
> doesn't grab the keystroke any more (and this is good), but it doesn't
> pass the keystroke either to the focused windows (and so it doesn't
> work)

oh, heh, oops :) i'll try again later maybe

> thanks
> marco
> 

--
Mikael Magnusson


From drjimmy42 at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 12 10:17:56 2004
From: drjimmy42 at yahoo.com (John Russell)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 10:17:56 -0500
Subject: java swing app doesn't resize on alt drag
Message-ID: <1079104676.23689.4.camel@mendelssohn>

I just downloaded Jbuddy Messenger Pro, a Lotus Sametime client written
in Java (looks like Swing).  

I can resize the main window by dragging the corners around, but for
some reason holding down alt and dragging inside the window does not
resize at all.  This is the only app I've ever seen exhibit this
behavior, but the alt-drag resize works in metacity, so I thought it
might be some unique openbox/java interaction.  

Does anyone know what could be causing this?  Thanks.

John  
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.



From acid.punk at gmx.net  Fri Mar 12 10:52:27 2004
From: acid.punk at gmx.net (Alexander Futasz)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 16:52:27 +0100
Subject: [openbox] java swing app doesn't resize on alt drag
In-Reply-To: <1079104676.23689.4.camel@mendelssohn>
References: <1079104676.23689.4.camel@mendelssohn>
Message-ID: <20040312165227.5b8e1190.acid.punk@gmx.net>

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 10:17:56 -0500, John Russell wrote:
> I just downloaded Jbuddy Messenger Pro, a Lotus Sametime client
> written in Java (looks like Swing).  
> 
> I can resize the main window by dragging the corners around, but for
> some reason holding down alt and dragging inside the window does not
> resize at all.  This is the only app I've ever seen exhibit this
> behavior, but the alt-drag resize works in metacity, so I thought it
> might be some unique openbox/java interaction.  

Just for the record. I use jedit (also swing) and resize via alt-drag
works fine.


From mosa at email.it  Sat Mar 13 16:11:05 2004
From: mosa at email.it (Matteo)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 22:11:05 +0100
Subject: Save dockapp order
Message-ID: <405378E9.5070701@email.it>

Hi,
I'm new to OpenBox, after much searching I didn't find a way to save the 
order of dockapps in the slit.
Is it possible to impose a precise order (as you can do in FluxBox) or 
such a feature is yet to implement?



From rumpole at frys.com  Sat Mar 13 17:02:11 2004
From: rumpole at frys.com (brian .)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 14:02:11 -0800
Subject: [openbox] Save dockapp order
In-Reply-To: <405378E9.5070701@email.it>
References: <405378E9.5070701@email.it>
Message-ID: <405384E3.7050306@frys.com>

Matteo wrote:

> Hi,
> I'm new to OpenBox, after much searching I didn't find a way to save 
> the order of dockapps in the slit.
> Is it possible to impose a precise order (as you can do in FluxBox) or 
> such a feature is yet to implement?
>
Here's a script that I wrote/use:


#!/bin/sh

# Start/stop dock apps. This will let you specify where in the dock they 
will be placed.

declare -a apps
apps[1]="gkrellm -w"
apps[2]="wmdrawer -c /home/brian/.wmdrawerrc"
apps[3]="volume.app -c 1"
apps[4]="pop3eye -w"
apps[5]="stickytime -w"

num_apps=${#apps[@]}

case "$1" in
  start)
      echo "Starting $num_apps dock apps"
      while [ $num_apps -gt 0 ]; do
           let x=0
           ${apps[$num_apps]} >/dev/null &   
           appname=`echo "${apps[$num_apps]}" | cut -d" " -f-1`
           echo $appname
           until xwininfo -name $appname >/dev/null 2>&1
              do sleep 0.1 ; let x=++x; if [ $x = 10 ]; then break; fi
           done

           let "num_apps -= 1"
      done
    ;;

  stop)
      echo "Stopping $num_apps dock apps"
      while [ $num_apps -gt 0 ]; do
            killall $(echo ${apps[$num_apps]} | awk '{print $1}') 
 >/dev/null 2>&1 &
            let "num_apps -= 1"
      done
     
    ;;
  restart)
      $0 stop
      sleep 2;
      $0 start
      ;;
  *)
        echo "Usage: $0 {start|stop|restart}"
        exit 1
      ;;
esac

exit 0



From mangosoft at comhem.se  Sat Mar 13 18:16:06 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 00:16:06 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] Save dockapp order
In-Reply-To: <405384E3.7050306@frys.com>
References: <405378E9.5070701@email.it> <405384E3.7050306@frys.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403140015380.3692@localhost>

On Sat, 13 Mar 2004, brian . wrote:

> Matteo wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > I'm new to OpenBox, after much searching I didn't find a way to save 
> > the order of dockapps in the slit.
> > Is it possible to impose a precise order (as you can do in FluxBox) or 
> > such a feature is yet to implement?
> >
> Here's a script that I wrote/use:
> 
> 

The rest of us get by on scripts that simply have all apps interleaved 
with sleep 3 command lines

--
Mikael Magnusson


From mosa at email.it  Sat Mar 13 19:46:23 2004
From: mosa at email.it (Matteo)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 01:46:23 +0100
Subject: [openbox] Save dockapp order
In-Reply-To: <405384E3.7050306@frys.com>
References: <405378E9.5070701@email.it> <405384E3.7050306@frys.com>
Message-ID: <4053AB5F.2050706@email.it>

brian . wrote:

> Matteo wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I'm new to OpenBox, after much searching I didn't find a way to save 
>> the order of dockapps in the slit.
>> Is it possible to impose a precise order (as you can do in FluxBox) 
>> or such a feature is yet to implement?
>>
> Here's a script that I wrote/use:
>
>
> #!/bin/sh
>
> # Start/stop dock apps. This will let you specify where in the dock 
> they will be placed.
>
> declare -a apps
> apps[1]="gkrellm -w"
> apps[2]="wmdrawer -c /home/brian/.wmdrawerrc"
> apps[3]="volume.app -c 1"
> apps[4]="pop3eye -w"
> apps[5]="stickytime -w"
>
> num_apps=${#apps[@]}
>
> case "$1" in
>  start)
>      echo "Starting $num_apps dock apps"
>      while [ $num_apps -gt 0 ]; do
>           let x=0
>           ${apps[$num_apps]} >/dev/null &             appname=`echo 
> "${apps[$num_apps]}" | cut -d" " -f-1`
>           echo $appname
>           until xwininfo -name $appname >/dev/null 2>&1
>              do sleep 0.1 ; let x=++x; if [ $x = 10 ]; then break; fi
>           done
>
>           let "num_apps -= 1"
>      done
>    ;;
>
>  stop)
>      echo "Stopping $num_apps dock apps"
>      while [ $num_apps -gt 0 ]; do
>            killall $(echo ${apps[$num_apps]} | awk '{print $1}') 
> >/dev/null 2>&1 &
>            let "num_apps -= 1"
>      done
>        ;;
>  restart)
>      $0 stop
>      sleep 2;
>      $0 start
>      ;;
>  *)
>        echo "Usage: $0 {start|stop|restart}"
>        exit 1
>      ;;
> esac
>
> exit 0
>
Thanks for your help.
Do you know if it is foreseen to implement something like Wmaker dockbar?


From mangosoft at comhem.se  Sat Mar 13 19:01:10 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 01:01:10 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] Save dockapp order
In-Reply-To: <4053AB5F.2050706@email.it>
References: <405378E9.5070701@email.it> <405384E3.7050306@frys.com>
 <4053AB5F.2050706@email.it>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403140100280.4161@localhost>

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Matteo wrote:

> brian . wrote:
> 
> > Matteo wrote:
> >
> Thanks for your help.
> Do you know if it is foreseen to implement something like Wmaker dockbar?

It is not, and in case you didnt notice, you can drag the dockapps around 
within the slit to order them manually.

--
Mikael Magnusson


From mosa at email.it  Sat Mar 13 20:18:16 2004
From: mosa at email.it (Matteo)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 02:18:16 +0100
Subject: [openbox] Save dockapp order
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403140100280.4161@localhost>
References: <405378E9.5070701@email.it> <405384E3.7050306@frys.com> <4053AB5F.2050706@email.it> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403140100280.4161@localhost>
Message-ID: <4053B2D8.6000003@email.it>

Mikael Magnusson wrote:

>On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Matteo wrote:
>
>  
>
>>brian . wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Matteo wrote:
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>Thanks for your help.
>>Do you know if it is foreseen to implement something like Wmaker dockbar?
>>    
>>
>
>It is not, and in case you didnt notice, you can drag the dockapps around 
>within the slit to order them manually.
>
>--
>Mikael Magnusson
>  
>
I noticed it but OB does not save the order over different sessions


From drjimmy42 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 14 11:44:59 2004
From: drjimmy42 at yahoo.com (John Russell)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 11:44:59 -0500
Subject: PATCH: 1134 better xinerama support
Message-ID: <1079282699.20036.9.camel@beethoven>

I put a patch in bugzilla for this bug but thought I'd mention it here.
It makes sure that no windows will ever be placed on the monitor divide
(unless they are larger than one monitor).  This annoys the begeezus out
of me.  Hope someone else finds it useful. 

See the bug for comments and that patch.

https://bugzilla.icculus.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1134

Also, I also created bug 1131 and patched it to make the monitor edge
act like a client edge when you use the moveToEdge<direction>
keybindings.  

https://bugzilla.icculus.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1131

Comments are appreciated.

John



From msw at cox.net  Sun Mar 14 14:04:31 2004
From: msw at cox.net (Marc Wilson)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 11:04:31 -0800
Subject: [openbox] PATCH: 1134 better xinerama support
In-Reply-To: <1079282699.20036.9.camel@beethoven>
References: <1079282699.20036.9.camel@beethoven>
Message-ID: <20040314190431.GB4479@rei.moonkingdom.net>

On Sun, Mar 14, 2004 at 11:44:59AM -0500, John Russell wrote:
> I put a patch in bugzilla for this bug but thought I'd mention it here.
> It makes sure that no windows will ever be placed on the monitor divide
> (unless they are larger than one monitor).

I like it.  Works well with emelfm, which was explicitly placing its
dialogs on the monitor split.

The 10% trick is also nice. ^_^

-- 
 Marc Wilson |     Join in the new game that's sweeping the country.
 msw at cox.net |     It's called "Bureaucracy".  Everybody stands in
             |     a circle.  The first person to do anything loses.


From drjimmy42 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 15 19:57:45 2004
From: drjimmy42 at yahoo.com (John Russell)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 19:57:45 -0500
Subject: argument lists in functions
Message-ID: <1079398665.25504.4.camel@beethoven>

Can someone who knows some more about the OB code than I do answer this
question.  What is the point of having argment lists like this:

void place_client(ObClient *client, gint *x, gint *y)

where *x and *y are merely pointers to client->area.x and
client->area.y.  In functions such as this, x and y are modified inside
the functions to modify the client position or whatever it is the
function is meant to do.  

Why not _just_ pass in a pointer to the client?  Why not say

void place_client(ObClient *client)
{
	and then directly modify the position numbers there.  

This function is just one example of this and I was curious to know the
motivation behind this.  Thanks.

John
	




From drjimmy42 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 15 21:08:50 2004
From: drjimmy42 at yahoo.com (John Russell)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:08:50 -0500
Subject: [openbox] PATCH: 1134 better xinerama support
In-Reply-To: <1079282699.20036.9.camel@beethoven>
References: <1079282699.20036.9.camel@beethoven>
Message-ID: <1079402930.5716.1.camel@beethoven>

I placed a new patch in bugzilla for this.  Much better than the first. 
It handles more ( I hope all ) cases and fits better with the existing
client placement code.  Be sure to back out the first patch before
applying this one.  Hope this helps.

John

PS Mikael, what is the protocol for possibly getting stuff like this
into CVS?  


On Sun, 2004-03-14 at 11:44, John Russell wrote:
> I put a patch in bugzilla for this bug but thought I'd mention it here.
> It makes sure that no windows will ever be placed on the monitor divide
> (unless they are larger than one monitor).  This annoys the begeezus out
> of me.  Hope someone else finds it useful. 
> 
> See the bug for comments and that patch.
> 
> https://bugzilla.icculus.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1134
> 
> Also, I also created bug 1131 and patched it to make the monitor edge
> act like a client edge when you use the moveToEdge<direction>
> keybindings.  
> 
> https://bugzilla.icculus.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1131
> 
> Comments are appreciated.
> 
> John



From kacperw at online.no  Mon Mar 15 22:09:01 2004
From: kacperw at online.no (Kacper Wysocki)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 22:09:01 -0500
Subject: [openbox] PATCH: 1134 better xinerama support
In-Reply-To: <1079402930.5716.1.camel@beethoven> (from drjimmy42@yahoo.com on Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 21:08:50 -0500)
References: <1079282699.20036.9.camel@beethoven> <1079402930.5716.1.camel@beethoven>
Message-ID: <20040316030901.GA30670@comotion.aei.ca>

> On Sun, 2004-03-14 at 11:44, John Russell wrote:
>>  I put a patch in bugzilla for this bug but thought I'd mention it   
>> here.  It makes sure that no windows will ever be placed on the  
>> monitor  divide  (unless they are larger than one monitor).  This  
>> annoys the  begeezus  out  of me.  Hope someone else finds it  
>> useful.

I just tried it out and I like it alot. Good job! If there is one thing  
that will turn people away from using xinerama, it's windows opening on  
the divide between monitors. I too am hoping this will find its way  
into the next release of ob3.

hmm, the edge patch doesn't apply cleanly to cvs after this one is  
applied..

Regards,
-Kacper
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From mangosoft at comhem.se  Tue Mar 16 00:12:02 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 06:12:02 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] argument lists in functions
In-Reply-To: <1079398665.25504.4.camel@beethoven>
References: <1079398665.25504.4.camel@beethoven>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403160611100.9481@localhost>

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, John Russell wrote:

> Can someone who knows some more about the OB code than I do answer this
> question.  What is the point of having argment lists like this:
> 
> void place_client(ObClient *client, gint *x, gint *y)
> 
> where *x and *y are merely pointers to client->area.x and
> client->area.y.  In functions such as this, x and y are modified inside
> the functions to modify the client position or whatever it is the
> function is meant to do.  
> 
> Why not _just_ pass in a pointer to the client?  Why not say
> 
> void place_client(ObClient *client)
> {
> 	and then directly modify the position numbers there.  
> 
> This function is just one example of this and I was curious to know the
> motivation behind this.  Thanks.
> 
> John
> 	

dereferencing one pointer is faster than dereferencing two pointers (ie 
client and then x or y)

--
Mikael Magnusson


From mangosoft at comhem.se  Tue Mar 16 00:15:25 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 06:15:25 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] PATCH: 1134 better xinerama support
In-Reply-To: <1079402930.5716.1.camel@beethoven>
References: <1079282699.20036.9.camel@beethoven> <1079402930.5716.1.camel@beethoven>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403160615010.9481@localhost>

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, John Russell wrote:

> I placed a new patch in bugzilla for this.  Much better than the first. 
> It handles more ( I hope all ) cases and fits better with the existing
> client placement code.  Be sure to back out the first patch before
> applying this one.  Hope this helps.
> 
> John
> 
> PS Mikael, what is the protocol for possibly getting stuff like this
> into CVS?  

Basically what you're doing now + wait for me to not have a ton of school 
stuff to do :)

--
Mikael Magnusson


From mangosoft at comhem.se  Tue Mar 16 00:22:16 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 06:22:16 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] argument lists in functions
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403160611100.9481@localhost>
References: <1079398665.25504.4.camel@beethoven> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403160611100.9481@localhost>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403160620440.9537@localhost>

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004, Mikael Magnusson wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, John Russell wrote:
> 
> > Can someone who knows some more about the OB code than I do answer this
> > question.  What is the point of having argment lists like this:
> > 
> > void place_client(ObClient *client, gint *x, gint *y)
> > 
> > where *x and *y are merely pointers to client->area.x and
> > client->area.y.  In functions such as this, x and y are modified inside
> > the functions to modify the client position or whatever it is the
> > function is meant to do.  
> > 
> > Why not _just_ pass in a pointer to the client?  Why not say
> > 
> > void place_client(ObClient *client)
> > {
> > 	and then directly modify the position numbers there.  
> > 
> > John
> > 	
> 
> dereferencing one pointer is faster than dereferencing two pointers (ie 
> client and then x or y)

actually, i really have no idea, there are tons of semicrazy things in the 
ob code like only checking if things are bigger than some max value but 
not if they are < 0, and it works anyway and as it turns out, the 
variables were unsigned.

--
Mikael Magnusson


From mangosoft at comhem.se  Tue Mar 16 00:25:35 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 06:25:35 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] argument lists in functions
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403160620440.9537@localhost>
References: <1079398665.25504.4.camel@beethoven> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403160611100.9481@localhost>
 <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403160620440.9537@localhost>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403160624400.9548@localhost>

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004, Mikael Magnusson wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Mar 2004, Mikael Magnusson wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, John Russell wrote:
> > 
> > > Can someone who knows some more about the OB code than I do answer this
> > > question.  What is the point of having argment lists like this:
> > > 
> > > void place_client(ObClient *client, gint *x, gint *y)
> > > 
> > > where *x and *y are merely pointers to client->area.x and
> > > client->area.y.  In functions such as this, x and y are modified inside
> > > the functions to modify the client position or whatever it is the
> > > function is meant to do.  
> > > 
> > > Why not _just_ pass in a pointer to the client?  Why not say
> > > 
> > > void place_client(ObClient *client)
> > > {
> > > 	and then directly modify the position numbers there.  
> > > 
> > > John
> > > 	
> > 
> > dereferencing one pointer is faster than dereferencing two pointers (ie 
> > client and then x or y)
> 
> actually, i really have no idea, there are tons of semicrazy things in the 
> ob code like only checking if things are bigger than some max value but 
> not if they are < 0, and it works anyway and as it turns out, the 
> variables were unsigned.

looking at the code some more now :) in the case you brought up, we dont 
want to change the x,y of the client directly since we want to do a lot of 
stuff to them and then see if they changed, if you look in client.c where 
place_client is called from.

--
Mikael Magnusson


From drjimmy42 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 16 08:51:32 2004
From: drjimmy42 at yahoo.com (John Russell)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 08:51:32 -0500
Subject: [openbox] PATCH: 1134 better xinerama support
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403160615010.9481@localhost>
References: <1079282699.20036.9.camel@beethoven>
	 <1079402930.5716.1.camel@beethoven>
	 <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403160615010.9481@localhost>
Message-ID: <1079445092.32682.1.camel@mendelssohn>

> > 
> > PS Mikael, what is the protocol for possibly getting stuff like this
> > into CVS?  
> 
> Basically what you're doing now + wait for me to not have a ton of school 
> stuff to do :)
> 

Ah, I see.  Excellent.  Good luck at school stuff.  

> --
> Mikael Magnusson
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.



From drjimmy42 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 16 15:58:21 2004
From: drjimmy42 at yahoo.com (John Russell)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 15:58:21 -0500
Subject: [openbox] PATCH: 1134 better xinerama support
In-Reply-To: <20040316030901.GA30670@comotion.aei.ca>
References: <1079282699.20036.9.camel@beethoven>
	 <1079402930.5716.1.camel@beethoven>
	 <20040316030901.GA30670@comotion.aei.ca>
Message-ID: <1079470592.5716.1048.camel@beethoven>


> I just tried it out and I like it alot. Good job! 
Thanks. Glad you like it.

> hmm, the edge patch doesn't apply cleanly to cvs after this one is  
> applied..
> 

OOo, Didn't actually try that one.  This is why I'm asking about CVS. 
I'm starting to get confused with the state of my tree.  I actually had
to take out other changes I've made (including the edge one) from this
patch file.  Maybe I should just post a single xinerama patch with both
sets of changes in them.  I'll post it on the "better xinerama support"
bug and mention the other one. 

John 

> Regards,
> -Kacper



From j.m.boler at sms.ed.ac.uk  Tue Mar 16 17:32:00 2004
From: j.m.boler at sms.ed.ac.uk (Jonathan Boler)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 22:32:00 +0000
Subject: Dock autohide broken without window borders
Message-ID: <40578060.5000609@sms.ed.ac.uk>

I would call this a bug.

If you have a theme with "border.width: 0" then autohide doesn't work 
because dockapps don't have a border visible to trigger an event and 
show the dock. Its rather annoying so I'll prolly try fixing it unless 
someone else does first :)

Jonathan


From dale_d at telusplanet.net  Wed Mar 17 10:15:08 2004
From: dale_d at telusplanet.net (Dale K Dicks)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 08:15:08 -0700
Subject: application launch feedback
Message-ID: <1079536508.23733.6.camel@linuxbox.home.bluffs.ab.ca>

As far as I know OB3 does not do this.

Is that generally a function that a WindowManager provides or is it more
of a DesktopEnvironment thing?

Are there any plans to add this to OpenBox?


DKD
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
dale_D at telusplanet dot net

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From cyrax at b0rken.dk  Thu Mar 18 07:12:17 2004
From: cyrax at b0rken.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mark_Gj=F8l?=)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 13:12:17 +0100
Subject: Installing make
Message-ID: <20040318121217.GE13793@b0rken.dk>

I'm installing openpkg on a SUN ultraSPARC running Solaris 9.

I've bootstrapped the system with:
sh openpkg-2.0.0-2.0.0.src.sh --prefix=/opt/openpkg/2.0/
sh openpkg-2.0.0-2.0.0.sparc64-solaris9-oo2.sh

Then I ran the eval script:
eval `/opt/openpkg/2.0/etc/rc --eval all env`

So all should be fine. Now... I thought it would probably be a good idea
to install gcc and make and such basic packages, so I ran:
openpkg rpm --define "use_cc /opt/sfw/gcc-3.2/bin/gcc" --define
"use_make /opt/sfw/bin/gmake" --rebuild ftp://ftp.openpkg.org/release/2.0/SRC/make-3.80-2.0.0.src.rpm

And this is where the story comes to a grinding halt... After a bunch of
configure lines I get:
config.status: executing default-1 commands
config.status: creating po/POTFILES
config.status: creating po/Makefile
+ /opt/sfw/bin/gmake --no-print-directory -j4
make  all-recursive
/bin/bash: make: command not found
gmake: *** [all] Error 127
error: Bad exit status from /opt/openpkg/2.0/RPM/TMP/rpm-tmp.5915
(%build)

I know gmake is where I said it was. I've told openpkg to use that
gmake, but even if it chooses not to I have a handy SUN make located
cozilly in /usr/xpg4/bin/make... What's wrong?

-- 
// Mark Gj?l
I find the whole business of religion profoundly interesting. But it does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take it seriously.
 - Douglas Adams
-- http://b0rken.dk


From darge at gmx.net  Thu Mar 18 07:17:21 2004
From: darge at gmx.net (Christian Timmer)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 13:17:21 +0100
Subject: [openbox] Installing make
In-Reply-To: <20040318121217.GE13793@b0rken.dk>
References: <20040318121217.GE13793@b0rken.dk>
Message-ID: <20040318121721.GA6728@darks00l.org>

Are you sure that this is an openbox prob?

christian



From cyrax at b0rken.dk  Thu Mar 18 07:52:58 2004
From: cyrax at b0rken.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mark_Gj=F8l?=)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 13:52:58 +0100
Subject: [openbox] Installing make
In-Reply-To: <20040318121721.GA6728@darks00l.org>
References: <20040318121217.GE13793@b0rken.dk> <20040318121721.GA6728@darks00l.org>
Message-ID: <20040318125258.GF13793@b0rken.dk>

On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 01:17:21PM +0100, Christian Timmer wrote:
> Are you sure that this is an openbox prob?

Err... Doh... Openpkg... The world is way too open, I can't make out the
difference anymore ;)

-- 
// Mark Gj?l
I find the whole business of religion profoundly interesting. But it does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take it seriously.
 - Douglas Adams
-- http://b0rken.dk
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From shadow at serverart.org  Thu Mar 18 09:09:09 2004
From: shadow at serverart.org (Eric Shattow)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:09:09 -0600
Subject: [openbox] application launch feedback
In-Reply-To: <1079536508.23733.6.camel@linuxbox.home.bluffs.ab.ca>
References: <1079536508.23733.6.camel@linuxbox.home.bluffs.ab.ca>
Message-ID: <4059AD85.6030309@serverart.org>

Dale,

afaik i've seen both window managers and applications implement the 
freedesktop.org launch notification spec.

i personally don't see the point of launch notification. K-Desktop 
(KWM?) does launch notification.

- Eric



From drjimmy42 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 18 09:25:17 2004
From: drjimmy42 at yahoo.com (John Russell)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 09:25:17 -0500
Subject: [openbox] application launch feedback
In-Reply-To: <4059AD85.6030309@serverart.org>
References: <1079536508.23733.6.camel@linuxbox.home.bluffs.ab.ca>
	 <4059AD85.6030309@serverart.org>
Message-ID: <1079619917.29698.3.camel@mendelssohn>

Its so when you run rhythmbox from a menu, that you know that your
computer is at least trying and that rhythmbox didn't just up and crash
as soon as you selected it from the menu.  I frequently resort to
running non-responsive programs from the terminal to find out why they
aren't opening, only to have 2 or 3 open up when evolution finally gets
swapped out.  

I hate the way KDE implements this as the notification remains even if
you program has crashed and it keeps notifying you for 30 seconds no
matter what happens.  I'm not sure if that's a limitation of the spec or
of the implementation.

John


On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 09:09, Eric Shattow wrote:
> Dale,
> 
> afaik i've seen both window managers and applications implement the 
> freedesktop.org launch notification spec.
> 
> i personally don't see the point of launch notification. K-Desktop 
> (KWM?) does launch notification.
> 
> - Eric
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.



From dale_d at telusplanet.net  Thu Mar 18 09:34:16 2004
From: dale_d at telusplanet.net (Dale K Dicks)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 07:34:16 -0700
Subject: [openbox] application launch feedback
In-Reply-To: <4059AD85.6030309@serverart.org>
References: <1079536508.23733.6.camel@linuxbox.home.bluffs.ab.ca>
	 <4059AD85.6030309@serverart.org>
Message-ID: <1079620456.6174.3.camel@linuxbox.home.bluffs.ab.ca>

I don't run KDE, all I run is OpenBox with no KDE or Gnome Panels.  I
run an minimalistic environment.  I just thought it would be nice to
have if it is easily doable.

On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 07:09, Eric Shattow wrote:

> Dale,
> 
> afaik i've seen both window managers and applications implement the 
> freedesktop.org launch notification spec.
> 
> i personally don't see the point of launch notification. K-Desktop 
> (KWM?) does launch notification.
> 
> - Eric
> 
> 
> 
> --
> This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous
> content by MailScanner (using the f-prot virus scanner),
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DKD
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From abeach at deepvision.ca  Thu Mar 18 14:22:45 2004
From: abeach at deepvision.ca (A Beach)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:22:45 -0400
Subject: Individual program configure
Message-ID: <200403181522.45800.abeach@deepvision.ca>

Hello all,

I'm new to OpenBox. I have installed OpenBox 3 and I find it's great! I was 
just wondering if there is anyway to configure OpenBox to handle the 
windowing/framing of a particular application? I have looked into 
$HOME/.config/openbox/rc.xml but I can't seem to find an example or the 
proper tags to use.

For example, in fvwm2 I can do:

Style "myapp"  BorderWidth 0, HandleWidth 0, notitle, nohandles

What this does is state the for 'myapp' to effectively remove the 
windowing/framing but only for myapp.

Is this possible with OpenBox?

Also, is it possible to state AlwaysOnBottom so that a program will allows be 
on the bottom of all the open windows? Kind of like the opposite to 
AlwaysOnTop?

Thanks for any help you can provide.

Alvin


From shadow at serverart.org  Thu Mar 18 14:47:25 2004
From: shadow at serverart.org (Eric Shattow)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 13:47:25 -0600
Subject: [openbox] Individual program configure
In-Reply-To: <200403181522.45800.abeach@deepvision.ca>
References: <200403181522.45800.abeach@deepvision.ca>
Message-ID: <4059FCCD.3020807@serverart.org>

Alvin,

window matching of that type is not a design goal of OpenBox3, from what 
I gather.   the most popular tool to accomplish this window matching is 
Devil's Pie.  I haven't figured out how to coax Devil's Pie to set an 
always under property, so if you find out please throw a line my way.

 - Eric



From drjimmy42 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 18 15:05:03 2004
From: drjimmy42 at yahoo.com (John Russell)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:05:03 -0500
Subject: [openbox] Individual program configure
In-Reply-To: <4059FCCD.3020807@serverart.org>
References: <200403181522.45800.abeach@deepvision.ca>
	 <4059FCCD.3020807@serverart.org>
Message-ID: <1079640302.557.113.camel@mendelssohn>


On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 14:47, Eric Shattow wrote:
> Alvin,
> 
> window matching of that type is not a design goal of OpenBox3, from what 
> I gather.   the most popular tool to accomplish this window matching is 
> Devil's Pie.  I haven't figured out how to coax Devil's Pie to set an 
> always under property, so if you find out please throw a line my way.
> 
>  - Eric


Doesn't this work?

 <action name="DevilsPieActionLayer">
        <property name="above" value="FALSE"/>
      </action>

John
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.



From kacperw at online.no  Mon Mar 22 01:27:38 2004
From: kacperw at online.no (Kacper Wysocki)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:27:38 -0500
Subject: [openbox] PATCH: 1134 better xinerama support
In-Reply-To: <1079470592.5716.1048.camel@beethoven> (from drjimmy42@yahoo.com on Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 15:58:21 -0500)
References: <1079282699.20036.9.camel@beethoven> <1079402930.5716.1.camel@beethoven> <20040316030901.GA30670@comotion.aei.ca> <1079470592.5716.1048.camel@beethoven>
Message-ID: <20040322062738.GA15465@comotion.aei.ca>

John,
there is a small problem with your xinerama patch: it does not allow  
windows to be dragged from one screen to the next, as that would cross  
the screen boundry. Moving a window with the 'move' hook still works,  
but using the mouse to drag it by the titlebar hops the window an inch  
away from the edge.

-Kacper 
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From kacperw at online.no  Mon Mar 22 01:44:12 2004
From: kacperw at online.no (Kacper Wysocki)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:44:12 -0500
Subject: [openbox] PATCH: 1134 better xinerama support
In-Reply-To: <20040322062738.GA15465@comotion.aei.ca> (from kacperw@online.no on Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 01:27:38 -0500)
References: <1079282699.20036.9.camel@beethoven> <1079402930.5716.1.camel@beethoven> <20040316030901.GA30670@comotion.aei.ca> <1079470592.5716.1048.camel@beethoven> <20040322062738.GA15465@comotion.aei.ca>
Message-ID: <20040322064412.GC15465@comotion.aei.ca>

On 03/22/04 01:27:38, Kacper Wysocki wrote:
> John,
> there is a small problem with your xinerama patch: it does not allow  
> windows to be dragged from one screen to the next, as that would  
> cross the screen boundry. Moving a window with the 'move' hook still  
> works, but using the mouse to drag it by the titlebar hops the window  
> an inch away from the edge.

I might have been too hasty there - it only does this for few programs,  
most notably beep media player and xmms.

-Kacper
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From msw at cox.net  Mon Mar 22 01:56:06 2004
From: msw at cox.net (Marc Wilson)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 22:56:06 -0800
Subject: [openbox] PATCH: 1134 better xinerama support
In-Reply-To: <20040322064412.GC15465@comotion.aei.ca>
References: <1079282699.20036.9.camel@beethoven> <1079402930.5716.1.camel@beethoven> <20040316030901.GA30670@comotion.aei.ca> <1079470592.5716.1048.camel@beethoven> <20040322062738.GA15465@comotion.aei.ca> <20040322064412.GC15465@comotion.aei.ca>
Message-ID: <20040322065606.GA1859@rei.moonkingdom.net>

On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 01:44:12AM -0500, Kacper Wysocki wrote:
> On 03/22/04 01:27:38, Kacper Wysocki wrote:
> >John,
> >there is a small problem with your xinerama patch: it does not allow  
> >windows to be dragged from one screen to the next, as that would  
> >cross the screen boundry.
> 
> I might have been too hasty there - it only does this for few programs,  
> most notably beep media player and xmms.

Using v3 of the xinerama patch, I don't see this behavior with xmms.

-- 
 Marc Wilson |     I feel sorry for your brain... all alone in that
 msw at cox.net |     great big head...
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From drjimmy42 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 22 07:06:51 2004
From: drjimmy42 at yahoo.com (John Russell)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 07:06:51 -0500
Subject: [openbox] PATCH: 1134 better xinerama support
In-Reply-To: <20040322065606.GA1859@rei.moonkingdom.net>
References: <1079282699.20036.9.camel@beethoven>
	 <1079402930.5716.1.camel@beethoven>
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Message-ID: <1079957211.29021.3.camel@beethoven>

On Mon, 2004-03-22 at 01:56, Marc Wilson wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 01:44:12AM -0500, Kacper Wysocki wrote:
> > On 03/22/04 01:27:38, Kacper Wysocki wrote:
> > >John,
> > >there is a small problem with your xinerama patch: it does not allow  
> > >windows to be dragged from one screen to the next, as that would  
> > >cross the screen boundry.
> > 
> > I might have been too hasty there - it only does this for few programs,  
> > most notably beep media player and xmms.
> 
> Using v3 of the xinerama patch, I don't see this behavior with xmms.

Yeah, this is why I released v3.  I was trying to catch more cases of
windows trying to actually place themselves on the monitor divide, but
there are some apps (e.g. xmms) which do some really whacky $H!+.  Maybe
someone who knows more about X stuff can tell you how strange it is but
its definitely non-standard.  

Either way, I removed some of the cases that were causing the problem
for v3, but that means that there are certain apps that actually request
to be moved to the center of the screen even after they are placed will
still be placed on the monitor divide.  I'm not sure there's anything to
be done about stupid clients.  I've only seen one do this and it was a
java app, so it probably won't be that often.  

Thanks for the feedback.

John



From rance at mbnet.fi  Tue Mar 23 10:20:16 2004
From: rance at mbnet.fi (Kristian Niemi)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:20:16 +0200
Subject: Remember window-settings?
Message-ID: <406055B0.6070602@mbnet.fi>

Is there a way to save window-geometry and -position, so that they would 
start up the same size, at the same place next time they're started?

Could be nice with such an option in the "window-menu" (by which I mean 
the menu that pops up by right-klicking on the bar on top of the windows)?


h: Kristian


From david.tiselius at sydsvenskan.se  Tue Mar 23 10:27:45 2004
From: david.tiselius at sydsvenskan.se (David Tiselius)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:27:45 +0100
Subject: [openbox] Remember window-settings?
In-Reply-To: <406055B0.6070602@mbnet.fi>
References: <406055B0.6070602@mbnet.fi>
Message-ID: <40605771.3050106@sydsvenskan.se>

Kristian Niemi wrote:
> Is there a way to save window-geometry and -position, so that they would 
> start up the same size, at the same place next time they're started?
ouch!


From rance at mbnet.fi  Tue Mar 23 11:19:37 2004
From: rance at mbnet.fi (Kristian Niemi)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:19:37 +0200
Subject: [openbox] Remember window-settings?
In-Reply-To: <40605771.3050106@sydsvenskan.se>
References: <406055B0.6070602@mbnet.fi> <40605771.3050106@sydsvenskan.se>
Message-ID: <40606399.8030008@mbnet.fi>

Ouch?
What are you referring to with ouch? That there isn't such a way; that 
there should be; or perhaps that there /really shouldn't be/? ;)

h: Kristian

David Tiselius wrote:
> Kristian Niemi wrote:
> 
>> Is there a way to save window-geometry and -position, so that they 
>> would start up the same size, at the same place next time they're 
>> started?
> 
> ouch!
> 
> 


From mmj at panther.mmj.dk  Tue Mar 23 11:29:36 2004
From: mmj at panther.mmj.dk (Mads Martin Joergensen)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:29:36 +0100
Subject: [openbox] Remember window-settings?
In-Reply-To: <40606399.8030008@mbnet.fi>
References: <406055B0.6070602@mbnet.fi> <40605771.3050106@sydsvenskan.se> <40606399.8030008@mbnet.fi>
Message-ID: <20040323162936.GC46091@panther.mmj.dk>

* Kristian Niemi <rance at mbnet.fi> [Mar 23. 2004 17:21]:
> Ouch?
> What are you referring to with ouch? That there isn't such a way; that 
> there should be; or perhaps that there /really shouldn't be/? ;)

Openbox cannot do that, and is not supposed to do so. You want to run
some full featured desktop environment like xfce, gnome or kde.

Openbox is a windowmanager.

-- 
Mads Martin Joergensen, http://mmj.dk
"Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic
 and totally illogical, with just a little bit more effort?"
                                -- A. P. J.


From j.m.boler at sms.ed.ac.uk  Tue Mar 23 11:35:23 2004
From: j.m.boler at sms.ed.ac.uk (Jonathan Boler)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:35:23 +0000
Subject: [openbox] Remember window-settings?
In-Reply-To: <40606399.8030008@mbnet.fi>
References: <406055B0.6070602@mbnet.fi> <40605771.3050106@sydsvenskan.se> <40606399.8030008@mbnet.fi>
Message-ID: <4060674B.7060402@sms.ed.ac.uk>

I was a bit miffed that Openbox didn't have this but I find that most 
apps that I use remember where they should startup anyway. I use wmctrl 
to make sure they startup on the right desktop. I'm sort of torn between 
Fluxbox for tabs/remembering window settings and openbox for being fully 
standards compliant.

Jonathan

Kristian Niemi wrote:
> Ouch?
> What are you referring to with ouch? That there isn't such a way; that 
> there should be; or perhaps that there /really shouldn't be/? ;)
> 
> h: Kristian
> 
> David Tiselius wrote:
> 
>> Kristian Niemi wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a way to save window-geometry and -position, so that they 
>>> would start up the same size, at the same place next time they're 
>>> started?
>>
>>
>> ouch!
>>
>>


From dale_d at telusplanet.net  Tue Mar 23 11:36:06 2004
From: dale_d at telusplanet.net (Dale K Dicks)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:36:06 -0700
Subject: [openbox] Remember window-settings?
In-Reply-To: <20040323162936.GC46091@panther.mmj.dk>
References: <406055B0.6070602@mbnet.fi> <40605771.3050106@sydsvenskan.se>
	 <40606399.8030008@mbnet.fi>  <20040323162936.GC46091@panther.mmj.dk>
Message-ID: <1080059766.7200.0.camel@linuxbox.home.bluffs.ab.ca>

you may be able to get it to work with a combination of devils pie and
wmctrl -- both have links from the links section on the OB3 web page.

On Tue, 2004-03-23 at 09:29, Mads Martin Joergensen wrote:

> * Kristian Niemi <rance at mbnet.fi> [Mar 23. 2004 17:21]:
> > Ouch?
> > What are you referring to with ouch? That there isn't such a way; that 
> > there should be; or perhaps that there /really shouldn't be/? ;)
> 
> Openbox cannot do that, and is not supposed to do so. You want to run
> some full featured desktop environment like xfce, gnome or kde.
> 
> Openbox is a windowmanager.

DKD
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
dale_D at telusplanet dot net
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From cyrax at b0rken.dk  Tue Mar 23 12:01:47 2004
From: cyrax at b0rken.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mark_Gj=F8l?=)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:01:47 +0100
Subject: [openbox] Remember window-settings?
In-Reply-To: <1080059766.7200.0.camel@linuxbox.home.bluffs.ab.ca>
References: <406055B0.6070602@mbnet.fi> <40605771.3050106@sydsvenskan.se> <40606399.8030008@mbnet.fi> <20040323162936.GC46091@panther.mmj.dk> <1080059766.7200.0.camel@linuxbox.home.bluffs.ab.ca>
Message-ID: <20040323170147.GC15625@b0rken.dk>

On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 09:36:06AM -0700, Dale K Dicks wrote:
> you may be able to get it to work with a combination of devils pie and
> wmctrl -- both have links from the links section on the OB3 web page.

Ooh, I've been looking for this program for quite some time! YAY!
Anyway, the sticky option doesn't seem to work, although the ability is
there in openbox... Why is this?

-- 
// Mark Gj?l
I find the whole business of religion profoundly interesting. But it does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take it seriously.
 - Douglas Adams
-- http://b0rken.dk
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From mangosoft at comhem.se  Tue Mar 23 12:04:53 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:04:53 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] Remember window-settings?
In-Reply-To: <20040323170147.GC15625@b0rken.dk>
References: <406055B0.6070602@mbnet.fi> <40605771.3050106@sydsvenskan.se>
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Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403231804380.8410@localhost>

On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, Mark Gj?l wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 09:36:06AM -0700, Dale K Dicks wrote:
> > you may be able to get it to work with a combination of devils pie and
> > wmctrl -- both have links from the links section on the OB3 web page.
> 
> Ooh, I've been looking for this program for quite some time! YAY!
> Anyway, the sticky option doesn't seem to work, although the ability is
> there in openbox... Why is this?

It works perfectly fine, what are you expecting it to do?

--
Mikael Magnusson


From j.m.boler at sms.ed.ac.uk  Tue Mar 23 12:06:59 2004
From: j.m.boler at sms.ed.ac.uk (Jonathan Boler)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:06:59 +0000
Subject: [openbox] Remember window-settings?
In-Reply-To: <20040323170147.GC15625@b0rken.dk>
References: <406055B0.6070602@mbnet.fi> <40605771.3050106@sydsvenskan.se> <40606399.8030008@mbnet.fi> <20040323162936.GC46091@panther.mmj.dk> <1080059766.7200.0.camel@linuxbox.home.bluffs.ab.ca> <20040323170147.GC15625@b0rken.dk>
Message-ID: <40606EB3.8000004@sms.ed.ac.uk>

Mark Gj?l wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 09:36:06AM -0700, Dale K Dicks wrote:
> 
>>you may be able to get it to work with a combination of devils pie and
>>wmctrl -- both have links from the links section on the OB3 web page.
> 
> 
> Ooh, I've been looking for this program for quite some time! YAY!
> Anyway, the sticky option doesn't seem to work, although the ability is
> there in openbox... Why is this?
> 
I'm guessing the NET_WM_ACTION_STICKY or whatever it is called isn't 
implemented fully yet. I ran into this problem with wmctrl so I looked 
at the openbox source to find some related stuff commented out.


From cyrax at b0rken.dk  Tue Mar 23 12:11:57 2004
From: cyrax at b0rken.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mark_Gj=F8l?=)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:11:57 +0100
Subject: Experiencing "hangs"... Is this openbox?
Message-ID: <20040323171157.GD15625@b0rken.dk>

Hi, I'm having some weird episodes where X hangs - let me begin with a
little (relevant) description of my system:

I use the Debian openbox 3.1 package and am running on two monitors with
Xinerama enabled. One monitor uses an NVIDIA-based gfx-card (the version
is irrelevant, the problem persisted even though I upgraded the card),
and the other a Matrox Millenium II.

Anyway, when the system hangs I loose all control, but am still able to
move the mouse. The first sign that this isn't a crash is that I am able
to move the curser between screens (when X crashes the curser is
restricted to whichever monitor it crashed on). Another sign is that I
still recieve input from the programs running (eg. IRC). I can type all 
I want, but nothing happens... Until a seemingly random period of time 
has elapsed, after which everything I've tried to do is actually being 
done. Sometimes I recieve focus again if I kill the active program from
a remote machine.

I have no idea whether this is an Openbox problem, an XFree problem or
a driver problem, but I know it's bugging the crap out of me.

-- 
// Mark Gj?l
I find the whole business of religion profoundly interesting. But it does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take it seriously.
 - Douglas Adams
-- http://b0rken.dk
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From cyrax at b0rken.dk  Tue Mar 23 12:13:51 2004
From: cyrax at b0rken.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mark_Gj=F8l?=)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:13:51 +0100
Subject: [openbox] Remember window-settings?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403231804380.8410@localhost>
References: <406055B0.6070602@mbnet.fi> <40605771.3050106@sydsvenskan.se> <40606399.8030008@mbnet.fi> <20040323162936.GC46091@panther.mmj.dk> <1080059766.7200.0.camel@linuxbox.home.bluffs.ab.ca> <20040323170147.GC15625@b0rken.dk> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403231804380.8410@localhost>
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On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 06:04:53PM +0100, Mikael Magnusson wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, Mark Gj?l wrote:
> > Ooh, I've been looking for this program for quite some time! YAY!
> > Anyway, the sticky option doesn't seem to work, although the ability is
> > there in openbox... Why is this?
> It works perfectly fine, what are you expecting it to do?

I'd like it to do the same as when I choose "send to all desktops" from
the menu, but on my system it has no effect.

-- 
// Mark Gj?l
I find the whole business of religion profoundly interesting. But it does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take it seriously.
 - Douglas Adams
-- http://b0rken.dk
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From j.m.boler at sms.ed.ac.uk  Tue Mar 23 12:15:38 2004
From: j.m.boler at sms.ed.ac.uk (Jonathan Boler)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:15:38 +0000
Subject: [openbox] Experiencing "hangs"... Is this openbox?
In-Reply-To: <20040323171157.GD15625@b0rken.dk>
References: <20040323171157.GD15625@b0rken.dk>
Message-ID: <406070BA.9080801@sms.ed.ac.uk>

Mark Gj?l wrote:
> Hi, I'm having some weird episodes where X hangs - let me begin with a
> little (relevant) description of my system:
> 
> I use the Debian openbox 3.1 package and am running on two monitors with
> Xinerama enabled. One monitor uses an NVIDIA-based gfx-card (the version
> is irrelevant, the problem persisted even though I upgraded the card),
> and the other a Matrox Millenium II.
> 
> Anyway, when the system hangs I loose all control, but am still able to
> move the mouse. The first sign that this isn't a crash is that I am able
> to move the curser between screens (when X crashes the curser is
> restricted to whichever monitor it crashed on). Another sign is that I
> still recieve input from the programs running (eg. IRC). I can type all 
> I want, but nothing happens... Until a seemingly random period of time 
> has elapsed, after which everything I've tried to do is actually being 
> done. Sometimes I recieve focus again if I kill the active program from
> a remote machine.
> 
> I have no idea whether this is an Openbox problem, an XFree problem or
> a driver problem, but I know it's bugging the crap out of me.
> 

I get this sometimes aswell. If I ssh in and kill xmms then everything 
returns to normal. It only started since I changed to openbox but it 
happens so infrequently I've been unable to nail it down to either xmms 
or openbox.


From mangosoft at comhem.se  Tue Mar 23 12:16:32 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:16:32 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] Experiencing "hangs"... Is this openbox?
In-Reply-To: <20040323171157.GD15625@b0rken.dk>
References: <20040323171157.GD15625@b0rken.dk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403231815330.9875@localhost>

On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, Mark Gj?l wrote:

> Hi, I'm having some weird episodes where X hangs - let me begin with a
> little (relevant) description of my system:
> 
> I use the Debian openbox 3.1 package and am running on two monitors with
> Xinerama enabled. One monitor uses an NVIDIA-based gfx-card (the version
> is irrelevant, the problem persisted even though I upgraded the card),
> and the other a Matrox Millenium II.
> 
> Anyway, when the system hangs I loose all control, but am still able to
> move the mouse. The first sign that this isn't a crash is that I am able
> to move the curser between screens (when X crashes the curser is
> restricted to whichever monitor it crashed on). Another sign is that I
> still recieve input from the programs running (eg. IRC). I can type all 
> I want, but nothing happens... Until a seemingly random period of time 
> has elapsed, after which everything I've tried to do is actually being 
> done. Sometimes I recieve focus again if I kill the active program from
> a remote machine.
> 
> I have no idea whether this is an Openbox problem, an XFree problem or
> a driver problem, but I know it's bugging the crap out of me.

could you please try cvs and see if you get the problem there? i haven't 
but some confirmation would be nice.
the weird thing about it is that ctrl-alt-f[1-6] doesnt work and they 
always should even if the keyboard is grabbed by xgrabkeyboard or such.

--
Mikael Magnusson


From mangosoft at comhem.se  Tue Mar 23 12:18:12 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:18:12 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] Remember window-settings?
In-Reply-To: <20040323171351.GE15625@b0rken.dk>
References: <406055B0.6070602@mbnet.fi> <40605771.3050106@sydsvenskan.se>
 <40606399.8030008@mbnet.fi> <20040323162936.GC46091@panther.mmj.dk>
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Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403231816580.9875@localhost>

On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, Mark Gj?l wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 06:04:53PM +0100, Mikael Magnusson wrote:
> > On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, Mark Gj?l wrote:
> > > Ooh, I've been looking for this program for quite some time! YAY!
> > > Anyway, the sticky option doesn't seem to work, although the ability is
> > > there in openbox... Why is this?
> > It works perfectly fine, what are you expecting it to do?
> 
> I'd like it to do the same as when I choose "send to all desktops" from
> the menu, but on my system it has no effect.

what sticky option are we talking about here exactly? i think if you're 
pedantic, they shouldn't do the same thing, send to all desktops makes a 
window stay on all virtual desktops, whereas sticky means if you have one 
large virtual desktop your wm lets you scroll around on, it won't move 
windows that are sticky, they will "stick to the glass" while the rest is 
moving.

--
Mikael Magnusson


From cyrax at b0rken.dk  Tue Mar 23 12:20:34 2004
From: cyrax at b0rken.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mark_Gj=F8l?=)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:20:34 +0100
Subject: [openbox] Remember window-settings?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403231816580.9875@localhost>
References: <406055B0.6070602@mbnet.fi> <40605771.3050106@sydsvenskan.se> <40606399.8030008@mbnet.fi> <20040323162936.GC46091@panther.mmj.dk> <1080059766.7200.0.camel@linuxbox.home.bluffs.ab.ca> <20040323170147.GC15625@b0rken.dk> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403231804380.8410@localhost> <20040323171351.GE15625@b0rken.dk> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403231816580.9875@localhost>
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On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 06:18:12PM +0100, Mikael Magnusson wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, Mark Gj?l wrote:
> > I'd like it to do the same as when I choose "send to all desktops" from
> > the menu, but on my system it has no effect.
> what sticky option are we talking about here exactly? i think if you're 
> pedantic, they shouldn't do the same thing, send to all desktops makes a 
> window stay on all virtual desktops, whereas sticky means if you have one 
> large virtual desktop your wm lets you scroll around on, it won't move 
> windows that are sticky, they will "stick to the glass" while the rest is 
> moving.

Hmm, ok... How do I make it do what I want it to do then? :)

-- 
// Mark Gj?l
I find the whole business of religion profoundly interesting. But it does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take it seriously.
 - Douglas Adams
-- http://b0rken.dk
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From cyrax at b0rken.dk  Tue Mar 23 12:22:10 2004
From: cyrax at b0rken.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mark_Gj=F8l?=)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:22:10 +0100
Subject: [openbox] Experiencing "hangs"... Is this openbox?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403231815330.9875@localhost>
References: <20040323171157.GD15625@b0rken.dk> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403231815330.9875@localhost>
Message-ID: <20040323172210.GG15625@b0rken.dk>

On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 06:16:32PM +0100, Mikael Magnusson wrote:
> could you please try cvs and see if you get the problem there? i haven't 
> but some confirmation would be nice.
> the weird thing about it is that ctrl-alt-f[1-6] doesnt work and they 
> always should even if the keyboard is grabbed by xgrabkeyboard or such.

Will do... I experience it sometimes up to a couple of times a day
(sometimes not), so if it still happens I'll return within a week. 

-- 
// Mark Gj?l
I find the whole business of religion profoundly interesting. But it does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take it seriously.
 - Douglas Adams
-- http://b0rken.dk
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From mangosoft at comhem.se  Tue Mar 23 12:25:43 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:25:43 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] Remember window-settings?
In-Reply-To: <20040323172034.GF15625@b0rken.dk>
References: <406055B0.6070602@mbnet.fi> <40605771.3050106@sydsvenskan.se>
 <40606399.8030008@mbnet.fi> <20040323162936.GC46091@panther.mmj.dk>
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Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403231825310.9936@localhost>

On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, Mark Gj?l wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 06:18:12PM +0100, Mikael Magnusson wrote:
> > On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, Mark Gj?l wrote:
> > > I'd like it to do the same as when I choose "send to all desktops" from
> > > the menu, but on my system it has no effect.
> > what sticky option are we talking about here exactly? i think if you're 
> > pedantic, they shouldn't do the same thing, send to all desktops makes a 
> > window stay on all virtual desktops, whereas sticky means if you have one 
> > large virtual desktop your wm lets you scroll around on, it won't move 
> > windows that are sticky, they will "stick to the glass" while the rest is 
> > moving.
> 
> Hmm, ok... How do I make it do what I want it to do then? :)

i'm still not sure which sticky option you mean

--
Mikael Magnusson


From cyrax at b0rken.dk  Tue Mar 23 12:27:36 2004
From: cyrax at b0rken.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mark_Gj=F8l?=)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:27:36 +0100
Subject: [openbox] Experiencing "hangs"... Is this openbox?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403231815330.9875@localhost>
References: <20040323171157.GD15625@b0rken.dk> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403231815330.9875@localhost>
Message-ID: <20040323172736.GH15625@b0rken.dk>

On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 06:16:32PM +0100, Mikael Magnusson wrote:
> could you please try cvs and see if you get the problem there? i haven't 
> but some confirmation would be nice.
> the weird thing about it is that ctrl-alt-f[1-6] doesnt work and they 
> always should even if the keyboard is grabbed by xgrabkeyboard or such.

Uhm... Problems with cvs... I don't have libtoolize... Where do I get
it?

-- 
// Mark Gj?l
I find the whole business of religion profoundly interesting. But it does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take it seriously.
 - Douglas Adams
-- http://b0rken.dk
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From cyrax at b0rken.dk  Tue Mar 23 12:29:05 2004
From: cyrax at b0rken.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mark_Gj=F8l?=)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:29:05 +0100
Subject: [openbox] Remember window-settings?
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References: <40605771.3050106@sydsvenskan.se> <40606399.8030008@mbnet.fi> <20040323162936.GC46091@panther.mmj.dk> <1080059766.7200.0.camel@linuxbox.home.bluffs.ab.ca> <20040323170147.GC15625@b0rken.dk> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403231804380.8410@localhost> <20040323171351.GE15625@b0rken.dk> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403231816580.9875@localhost> <20040323172034.GF15625@b0rken.dk> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403231825310.9936@localhost>
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On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 06:25:43PM +0100, Mikael Magnusson wrote:
> i'm still not sure which sticky option you mean

I'd like to send the window to all desktops, so it's visible
everywhere (it's a clock :)...

-- 
// Mark Gj?l
I find the whole business of religion profoundly interesting. But it does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take it seriously.
 - Douglas Adams
-- http://b0rken.dk
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From cyrax at b0rken.dk  Tue Mar 23 12:32:18 2004
From: cyrax at b0rken.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mark_Gj=F8l?=)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:32:18 +0100
Subject: [openbox] Experiencing "hangs"... Is this openbox?
In-Reply-To: <20040323172736.GH15625@b0rken.dk>
References: <20040323171157.GD15625@b0rken.dk> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403231815330.9875@localhost> <20040323172736.GH15625@b0rken.dk>
Message-ID: <20040323173218.GA18890@b0rken.dk>

On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 06:27:36PM +0100, Mark Gj?l wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 06:16:32PM +0100, Mikael Magnusson wrote:
> > could you please try cvs and see if you get the problem there? i haven't 
> > but some confirmation would be nice.
> > the weird thing about it is that ctrl-alt-f[1-6] doesnt work and they 
> > always should even if the keyboard is grabbed by xgrabkeyboard or such.
> 
> Uhm... Problems with cvs... I don't have libtoolize... Where do I get
> it?

Nevermind, found it...

I'm now bootstrapping (and making a terrible amount of noise on this
list), and get this initial error:

aclocal: configure.ac: 49: macro `AM_PROG_CC_C_O' not found in library

And following that:

+ autoconf
configure.ac:3: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE
      If this token and others are legitimate, please use
      m4_pattern_allow.
      See the Autoconf documentation.
      configure.ac:23: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_SUBST

And a couple of pages of other errors...

-- 
// Mark Gj?l
I find the whole business of religion profoundly interesting. But it does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take it seriously.
 - Douglas Adams
-- http://b0rken.dk
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From mangosoft at comhem.se  Tue Mar 23 12:33:07 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:33:07 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] Experiencing "hangs"... Is this openbox?
In-Reply-To: <20040323172736.GH15625@b0rken.dk>
References: <20040323171157.GD15625@b0rken.dk> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403231815330.9875@localhost>
 <20040323172736.GH15625@b0rken.dk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403231832490.9982@localhost>

On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, Mark Gj?l wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 06:16:32PM +0100, Mikael Magnusson wrote:
> > could you please try cvs and see if you get the problem there? i haven't 
> > but some confirmation would be nice.
> > the weird thing about it is that ctrl-alt-f[1-6] doesnt work and they 
> > always should even if the keyboard is grabbed by xgrabkeyboard or such.
> 
> Uhm... Problems with cvs... I don't have libtoolize... Where do I get
> it?

should be in libtool

--
Mikael Magnusson


From rumpole at frys.com  Tue Mar 23 13:16:46 2004
From: rumpole at frys.com (brian .)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:16:46 -0800
Subject: [openbox] Experiencing "hangs"... Is this openbox?
In-Reply-To: <20040323171157.GD15625@b0rken.dk>
References: <20040323171157.GD15625@b0rken.dk>
Message-ID: <40607F0E.8010707@frys.com>

Mark Gj?l wrote:

>Hi, I'm having some weird episodes where X hangs - let me begin with a
>little (relevant) description of my system:
>
>I use the Debian openbox 3.1 package and am running on two monitors with
>Xinerama enabled. One monitor uses an NVIDIA-based gfx-card (the version
>is irrelevant, the problem persisted even though I upgraded the card),
>and the other a Matrox Millenium II.
>
>Anyway, when the system hangs I loose all control, but am still able to
>move the mouse. The first sign that this isn't a crash is that I am able
>to move the curser between screens (when X crashes the curser is
>restricted to whichever monitor it crashed on). Another sign is that I
>still recieve input from the programs running (eg. IRC). I can type all 
>I want, but nothing happens... Until a seemingly random period of time 
>has elapsed, after which everything I've tried to do is actually being 
>done. Sometimes I recieve focus again if I kill the active program from
>a remote machine.
>
>I have no idea whether this is an Openbox problem, an XFree problem or
>a driver problem, but I know it's bugging the crap out of me.
>
>  
>
I've been having this too for months now. Usually when I'm Alt-tabbing 
but not always. Sometimes when I hit some combo in emacs. And yesterday 
for the first time I couldn't get alt-ctl-f1 to work. Had to ssh in.
Openbox 3.1, 2.6.2 kernel, but happened with 2.4.20 too. No xmms running.

brian


From cyrax at b0rken.dk  Tue Mar 23 13:20:46 2004
From: cyrax at b0rken.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mark_Gj=F8l?=)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:20:46 +0100
Subject: [openbox] Experiencing "hangs"... Is this openbox?
In-Reply-To: <20040323173218.GA18890@b0rken.dk>
References: <20040323171157.GD15625@b0rken.dk> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403231815330.9875@localhost> <20040323172736.GH15625@b0rken.dk> <20040323173218.GA18890@b0rken.dk>
Message-ID: <20040323182046.GB18890@b0rken.dk>

On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 06:32:18PM +0100, Mark Gj?l wrote:
> Nevermind, found it...
> 
> I'm now bootstrapping (and making a terrible amount of noise on this
> list), and get this initial error:

Again nevermind... I need to learn how to read the readme files :/

-- 
// Mark Gj?l
I find the whole business of religion profoundly interesting. But it does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take it seriously.
 - Douglas Adams
-- http://b0rken.dk
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From dale_d at telusplanet.net  Tue Mar 23 13:24:09 2004
From: dale_d at telusplanet.net (Dale K Dicks)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 11:24:09 -0700
Subject: [openbox] Experiencing "hangs"... Is this openbox?
In-Reply-To: <40607F0E.8010707@frys.com>
References: <20040323171157.GD15625@b0rken.dk>  <40607F0E.8010707@frys.com>
Message-ID: <1080066249.10656.7.camel@linuxbox.home.bluffs.ab.ca>

I had similar lockups when I went to 2.6 as well.  (I use Gentoo)

I narrowed it down to Frambuffer Consoles as well as having devfsd.

It would lock up consistently with Framebuffer consoles if I pressed
ctrl-alt-f1 and started an emerge there and then went back to X.  It
also seemed to be more prone to locking up the more times I switched
back and forth fro X to a TTY - generally 3 times was max with
Framebuffer, and about 5-6 times was max with regular TTY before it
locked up.

I disabled devfs and the problem is gone.  I even re-enabled
Framebuffer.

Anyway - not sure if this relates to what you are describing or not but
I thought I would mention it.  There is a bug logged at bugs.gentoo.org
about it - other people who no not use Openbox.

On Tue, 2004-03-23 at 11:16, brian . wrote:

> Mark Gj?l wrote:
> 
> >Hi, I'm having some weird episodes where X hangs - let me begin with a
> >little (relevant) description of my system:
> >
> >I use the Debian openbox 3.1 package and am running on two monitors with
> >Xinerama enabled. One monitor uses an NVIDIA-based gfx-card (the version
> >is irrelevant, the problem persisted even though I upgraded the card),
> >and the other a Matrox Millenium II.
> >
> >Anyway, when the system hangs I loose all control, but am still able to
> >move the mouse. The first sign that this isn't a crash is that I am able
> >to move the curser between screens (when X crashes the curser is
> >restricted to whichever monitor it crashed on). Another sign is that I
> >still recieve input from the programs running (eg. IRC). I can type all 
> >I want, but nothing happens... Until a seemingly random period of time 
> >has elapsed, after which everything I've tried to do is actually being 
> >done. Sometimes I recieve focus again if I kill the active program from
> >a remote machine.
> >
> >I have no idea whether this is an Openbox problem, an XFree problem or
> >a driver problem, but I know it's bugging the crap out of me.
> >
> >  
> >
> I've been having this too for months now. Usually when I'm Alt-tabbing 
> but not always. Sometimes when I hit some combo in emacs. And yesterday 
> for the first time I couldn't get alt-ctl-f1 to work. Had to ssh in.
> Openbox 3.1, 2.6.2 kernel, but happened with 2.4.20 too. No xmms running.
> 
> brian

DKD
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
dale_D at telusplanet dot net
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From rance at mbnet.fi  Tue Mar 23 13:29:02 2004
From: rance at mbnet.fi (Kristian Niemi)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 20:29:02 +0200
Subject: [openbox] Remember window-settings?
In-Reply-To: <20040323162936.GC46091@panther.mmj.dk>
References: <406055B0.6070602@mbnet.fi> <40605771.3050106@sydsvenskan.se> <40606399.8030008@mbnet.fi> <20040323162936.GC46091@panther.mmj.dk>
Message-ID: <406081EE.5000306@mbnet.fi>

Just out of curiosity, exactly what are the windowmanagers tasks; what's 
windowmanager-specific, and when does it cross over the line and become 
a task for `a full featured desktop environment'?

Icons on the desktop etc., /that/ belongs to a `full featured desktop 
environment' or some such, or so I've understood it. But remembering 
/window/-geometry and -position seems to me to be something related to, 
and only to, /windows/, hence I thought that it might be the 
/window/managers task to control this?


Seems like Devil's Pie could be the thing I was looking for though, so 
thanks to all who've mentioned it (and wmctrl)!

h: Kristian

Mads Martin Joergensen wrote:
> * Kristian Niemi <rance at mbnet.fi> [Mar 23. 2004 17:21]:
> 
>>Ouch?
>>What are you referring to with ouch? That there isn't such a way; that 
>>there should be; or perhaps that there /really shouldn't be/? ;)
> 
> 
> Openbox cannot do that, and is not supposed to do so. You want to run
> some full featured desktop environment like xfce, gnome or kde.
> 
> Openbox is a windowmanager.
> 


From shadow at serverart.org  Tue Mar 23 13:36:56 2004
From: shadow at serverart.org (Eric Shattow)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 12:36:56 -0600
Subject: [openbox] Experiencing "hangs"... Is this openbox?
In-Reply-To: <1080066249.10656.7.camel@linuxbox.home.bluffs.ab.ca>
References: <20040323171157.GD15625@b0rken.dk>  <40607F0E.8010707@frys.com> <1080066249.10656.7.camel@linuxbox.home.bluffs.ab.ca>
Message-ID: <406083C8.3000105@serverart.org>

I'm very sure this is devfs related.   try getting rid of devfs.

 -Eric


From mangosoft at comhem.se  Tue Mar 23 13:53:04 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:53:04 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] Remember window-settings?
In-Reply-To: <406081EE.5000306@mbnet.fi>
References: <406055B0.6070602@mbnet.fi> <40605771.3050106@sydsvenskan.se>
 <40606399.8030008@mbnet.fi> <20040323162936.GC46091@panther.mmj.dk>
 <406081EE.5000306@mbnet.fi>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403231948220.10259@localhost>

On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, Kristian Niemi wrote:

> Just out of curiosity, exactly what are the windowmanagers tasks; what's 
> windowmanager-specific, and when does it cross over the line and become 
> a task for `a full featured desktop environment'?
> 
> Icons on the desktop etc., /that/ belongs to a `full featured desktop 
> environment' or some such, or so I've understood it. But remembering 
> /window/-geometry and -position seems to me to be something related to, 
> and only to, /windows/, hence I thought that it might be the 
> /window/managers task to control this?
> 
> 
> Seems like Devil's Pie could be the thing I was looking for though, so 
> thanks to all who've mentioned it (and wmctrl)!
> 
> h: Kristian

i think it might be nice to add this to openbox, but i'm not sure it would 
be worth the time when we have devilspie (but the config and docs for it 
are so bad it hurts me, does anyone know if it can match WM_CLASS instead 
of titles?)

--
Mikael Magnusson


From rumpole at frys.com  Tue Mar 23 13:59:33 2004
From: rumpole at frys.com (brian .)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:59:33 -0800
Subject: [openbox] Experiencing "hangs"... Is this openbox?
In-Reply-To: <406083C8.3000105@serverart.org>
References: <20040323171157.GD15625@b0rken.dk>  <40607F0E.8010707@frys.com> <1080066249.10656.7.camel@linuxbox.home.bluffs.ab.ca> <406083C8.3000105@serverart.org>
Message-ID: <40608915.6090402@frys.com>

Eric Shattow wrote:

> I'm very sure this is devfs related.   try getting rid of devfs.
>
> -Eric
>
I am not using devfs.

brian


From shadow at serverart.org  Tue Mar 23 15:15:45 2004
From: shadow at serverart.org (Eric Shattow)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:15:45 -0600
Subject: [openbox] Experiencing "hangs"... Is this openbox?
In-Reply-To: <40608915.6090402@frys.com>
References: <20040323171157.GD15625@b0rken.dk>  <40607F0E.8010707@frys.com> <1080066249.10656.7.camel@linuxbox.home.bluffs.ab.ca> <406083C8.3000105@serverart.org> <40608915.6090402@frys.com>
Message-ID: <40609AF1.1040302@serverart.org>

Oh.  no xmms either?

  - Eric


From rance at mbnet.fi  Wed Mar 24 03:36:11 2004
From: rance at mbnet.fi (Kristian Niemi)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:36:11 +0200
Subject: [openbox] Remember window-settings?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403231948220.10259@localhost>
References: <406055B0.6070602@mbnet.fi> <40605771.3050106@sydsvenskan.se> <40606399.8030008@mbnet.fi> <20040323162936.GC46091@panther.mmj.dk> <406081EE.5000306@mbnet.fi> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403231948220.10259@localhost>
Message-ID: <4061487B.90300@mbnet.fi>

Actually, any docs at all would be nice. :D

Tried to search the net, but there wasn't really anything of much help. 
The most helpful so far, is the example-config that came along (the 
deb-package) ... And it's not /that/ helpful. ;)


h: Kristian

Mikael Magnusson wrote:

> 
> 
> i think it might be nice to add this to openbox, but i'm not sure it would 
> be worth the time when we have devilspie (but the config and docs for it 
> are so bad it hurts me, does anyone know if it can match WM_CLASS instead 
> of titles?)
> 
> --
> Mikael Magnusson
> 
> 


From cyrax at b0rken.dk  Wed Mar 24 13:23:07 2004
From: cyrax at b0rken.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mark_Gj=F8l?=)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:23:07 +0100
Subject: [openbox] Remember window-settings?
In-Reply-To: <1080059766.7200.0.camel@linuxbox.home.bluffs.ab.ca>
References: <406055B0.6070602@mbnet.fi> <40605771.3050106@sydsvenskan.se> <40606399.8030008@mbnet.fi> <20040323162936.GC46091@panther.mmj.dk> <1080059766.7200.0.camel@linuxbox.home.bluffs.ab.ca>
Message-ID: <20040324182307.GA21501@b0rken.dk>

On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 09:36:06AM -0700, Dale K Dicks wrote:
> you may be able to get it to work with a combination of devils pie and
> wmctrl -- both have links from the links section on the OB3 web page.

Well then, is there any way to start a program undecorated? I couldn't
find the option in neither devilspie nor wmctrl...

-- 
// Mark Gj?l
I find the whole business of religion profoundly interesting. But it does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take it seriously.
 - Douglas Adams
-- http://b0rken.dk
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From drjimmy42 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 24 22:48:28 2004
From: drjimmy42 at yahoo.com (John Russell)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 22:48:28 -0500
Subject: cvs changes and alt-tab window placement
Message-ID: <1080186508.2619.11.camel@beethoven>

I have a cvs question.  When I do a cvs update I see several files that
have been updated by other people with P's in front of them, indicating
that they have been patched.  Is there any way I can see the diffs
between what was there before and what I just updated?

The reason I ask is that since my CVS update this morning, the little
window that pops up when I ALT-tab between windows is popping up on the
monitor divide of my two monitors (xinerama).  This has never happened
before.  The window always came up in the center of the first monitor.
I think that behavior is correct and that what happens now is not.  

So I ask about the cvs thing to try to track down the change that is
causing this, but if anyone knows what it was, please let me know.  

Also, I updated the patch on bug 1134 (Better xinerama support).  This
one has the changes I made to have windows avoid the monitor divide as
well as the feature I added from bug 1131, making the monitor divide an
edge for functions like MoveToEdge<direction>.  

John 



From alpha at informatica.agh.edu.pl  Thu Mar 25 07:36:11 2004
From: alpha at informatica.agh.edu.pl (Adam Byrtek / alpha)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:36:11 +0100
Subject: Fullscreen problems
Message-ID: <20040325123611.GA14262@mentat.prochowa>

Hi,

I've recently switched from Fluxbox to Openbox and I have encountered
important problem when I watch movies with mplayer in fullscreen mode.

The problem is when I have my dock panel set to 'always on top' it is
visible even when I watch movies in fullscreen mode. The same goes
with other 'always on top' applications, like perlpanel or
gnome-panel. I haven't encountered such a problem neither in fluxbox
nor any other WM I used.

Mplayer has different -fstype modes, I tried everything, with no
visible result.

Regards
Adam

-- 
  __ _
 / _` |   Adam Byrtek -*- jid alpha.jabber.lfa.pl -*- pgp 0xB25952C0
 \__,_|   "Ka?dy idea? w ciele jest trywialny" - prawdy algebraiczne



From dub at lazy.shacknet.nu  Thu Mar 25 07:40:07 2004
From: dub at lazy.shacknet.nu (hungerburg)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:40:07 +0100
Subject: [openbox] Fullscreen problems
In-Reply-To: <20040325123611.GA14262@mentat.prochowa>
References: <20040325123611.GA14262@mentat.prochowa>
Message-ID: <20040325124007.GA1869@lazy.shacknet.nu>

On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 01:36:11PM +0100, Adam Byrtek / alpha wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Mplayer has different -fstype modes, I tried everything, with no
> visible result.

try, in your ~/.mplayer/config
fstype=-above,fullscreen

hu


From dub at lazy.shacknet.nu  Thu Mar 25 07:56:59 2004
From: dub at lazy.shacknet.nu (Hungerburg)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:56:59 +0100
Subject: [openbox] cvs changes and alt-tab window placement
In-Reply-To: <1080186508.2619.11.camel@beethoven>
References: <1080186508.2619.11.camel@beethoven>
Message-ID: <20040325125659.GB1869@lazy.shacknet.nu>

On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 10:48:28PM -0500, John Russell wrote:
> I have a cvs question.  When I do a cvs update I see several files that
> have been updated by other people with P's in front of them, indicating
> that they have been patched.  Is there any way I can see the diffs
> between what was there before and what I just updated?

the web interface at cvs.icculus.org can show coloured diffs.

hu


From mangosoft at comhem.se  Thu Mar 25 08:00:01 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:00:01 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] Fullscreen problems
In-Reply-To: <20040325123611.GA14262@mentat.prochowa>
References: <20040325123611.GA14262@mentat.prochowa>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403251359460.19224@localhost>

On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, Adam Byrtek / alpha wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I've recently switched from Fluxbox to Openbox and I have encountered
> important problem when I watch movies with mplayer in fullscreen mode.
> 
> The problem is when I have my dock panel set to 'always on top' it is
> visible even when I watch movies in fullscreen mode. The same goes
> with other 'always on top' applications, like perlpanel or
> gnome-panel. I haven't encountered such a problem neither in fluxbox
> nor any other WM I used.
> 
> Mplayer has different -fstype modes, I tried everything, with no
> visible result.
> 
> Regards
> Adam

does the output from mplayer contain anything like "broken openbox wm 
detected"?

--
Mikael Magnusson


From alpha at informatica.agh.edu.pl  Thu Mar 25 08:37:43 2004
From: alpha at informatica.agh.edu.pl (Adam Byrtek / alpha)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:37:43 +0100
Subject: [openbox] Fullscreen problems
In-Reply-To: <20040325124007.GA1869@lazy.shacknet.nu>
References: <20040325123611.GA14262@mentat.prochowa> <20040325124007.GA1869@lazy.shacknet.nu>
Message-ID: <20040325133743.GA14941@mentat.prochowa>

On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 01:40:07PM +0100, hungerburg wrote:
> try, in your ~/.mplayer/config
> fstype=-above,fullscreen

Thanks, it works! Is it a bug or a feature? :)

-- 
  __ _
 / _` |   Adam Byrtek -*- jid alpha.jabber.lfa.pl -*- pgp 0xB25952C0
 \__,_|   "Ka?dy idea? w ciele jest trywialny" - prawdy algebraiczne



From drjimmy42 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 25 09:04:29 2004
From: drjimmy42 at yahoo.com (John Russell)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:04:29 -0500
Subject: [openbox] cvs changes and alt-tab window placement
In-Reply-To: <20040325125659.GB1869@lazy.shacknet.nu>
References: <1080186508.2619.11.camel@beethoven>
	 <20040325125659.GB1869@lazy.shacknet.nu>
Message-ID: <1080223469.19967.10.camel@beethoven>

On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 13:56 +0100, Hungerburg wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 10:48:28PM -0500, John Russell wrote:
> > I have a cvs question.  When I do a cvs update I see several files that
> > have been updated by other people with P's in front of them, indicating
> > that they have been patched.  Is there any way I can see the diffs
> > between what was there before and what I just updated?
> 
> the web interface at cvs.icculus.org can show coloured diffs.
> 

This is nice, but is there anything built into CVS that lets me see the
change history of a file?  I'm not crazy about web interfaces for
development like this.  Thanks.

John

> hu



From mangosoft at comhem.se  Thu Mar 25 09:05:16 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 15:05:16 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] cvs changes and alt-tab window placement
In-Reply-To: <1080223469.19967.10.camel@beethoven>
References: <1080186508.2619.11.camel@beethoven>  <20040325125659.GB1869@lazy.shacknet.nu>
 <1080223469.19967.10.camel@beethoven>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403251504210.19655@localhost>

On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, John Russell wrote:

> On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 13:56 +0100, Hungerburg wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 10:48:28PM -0500, John Russell wrote:
> > > I have a cvs question.  When I do a cvs update I see several files that
> > > have been updated by other people with P's in front of them, indicating
> > > that they have been patched.  Is there any way I can see the diffs
> > > between what was there before and what I just updated?
> > 
> > the web interface at cvs.icculus.org can show coloured diffs.
> > 
> 
> This is nice, but is there anything built into CVS that lets me see the
> change history of a file?  I'm not crazy about web interfaces for
> development like this.  Thanks.
> 
> John

cvs log path/filename
cvs diff -r rev1 -r rev2 path/filename

where rev1 and rev2 are the revisions you want diffs between, as shown by 
cvs log

--
Mikael Magnusson


From drjimmy42 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 25 09:15:50 2004
From: drjimmy42 at yahoo.com (John Russell)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:15:50 -0500
Subject: [openbox] cvs changes and alt-tab window placement
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403251504210.19655@localhost>
References: <1080186508.2619.11.camel@beethoven>
	 <20040325125659.GB1869@lazy.shacknet.nu>
	 <1080223469.19967.10.camel@beethoven>
	 <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403251504210.19655@localhost>
Message-ID: <1080224150.19967.14.camel@beethoven>

> cvs log path/filename
> cvs diff -r rev1 -r rev2 path/filename
> 
> where rev1 and rev2 are the revisions you want diffs between, as shown by 
> cvs log
> 

Perfect thanks.  BTW, do you have any idea what happened to the alt-tab
window?  All the CVS changes you committed in the last few days seem
fairly innocuous.  Copyright notices, the keepborder thing.  Nothing
that would cause this change in behavior.

John


> --
> Mikael Magnusson



From mangosoft at comhem.se  Thu Mar 25 09:38:18 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 15:38:18 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] cvs changes and alt-tab window placement
In-Reply-To: <1080224150.19967.14.camel@beethoven>
References: <1080186508.2619.11.camel@beethoven>  <20040325125659.GB1869@lazy.shacknet.nu>
  <1080223469.19967.10.camel@beethoven>  <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403251504210.19655@localhost>
 <1080224150.19967.14.camel@beethoven>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403251537490.19718@localhost>

On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, John Russell wrote:

> > cvs log path/filename
> > cvs diff -r rev1 -r rev2 path/filename
> > 
> > where rev1 and rev2 are the revisions you want diffs between, as shown by 
> > cvs log
> > 
> 
> Perfect thanks.  BTW, do you have any idea what happened to the alt-tab
> window?  All the CVS changes you committed in the last few days seem
> fairly innocuous.  Copyright notices, the keepborder thing.  Nothing
> that would cause this change in behavior.
> 
> John

nope, no idea, never used xinerama... does it work with cvs from before 
i committed anything?

--
Mikael Magnusson


From drjimmy42 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 25 09:59:45 2004
From: drjimmy42 at yahoo.com (John Russell)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:59:45 -0500
Subject: [openbox] cvs changes and alt-tab window placement
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403251537490.19718@localhost>
References: <1080186508.2619.11.camel@beethoven>
	 <20040325125659.GB1869@lazy.shacknet.nu>
	 <1080223469.19967.10.camel@beethoven>
	 <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403251504210.19655@localhost>
	 <1080224150.19967.14.camel@beethoven>
	 <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403251537490.19718@localhost>
Message-ID: <1080226785.19963.16.camel@beethoven>

On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 15:38 +0100, Mikael Magnusson wrote:

> On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, John Russell wrote:
> 
> > > cvs log path/filename
> > > cvs diff -r rev1 -r rev2 path/filename
> > > 
> > > where rev1 and rev2 are the revisions you want diffs between, as shown by 
> > > cvs log
> > > 
> > 
> > Perfect thanks.  BTW, do you have any idea what happened to the alt-tab
> > window?  All the CVS changes you committed in the last few days seem
> > fairly innocuous.  Copyright notices, the keepborder thing.  Nothing
> > that would cause this change in behavior.
> > 
> > John
> 
> nope, no idea, never used xinerama... does it work with cvs from before 
> i committed anything?

I'm not sure how I would back my cvs tree state up to before the last
update.  However, it behaves correctly in the 3.1 release if that helps.

John

> 
> --
> Mikael Magnusson



From j.m.boler at sms.ed.ac.uk  Thu Mar 25 10:39:36 2004
From: j.m.boler at sms.ed.ac.uk (Jonathan Boler)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 15:39:36 +0000
Subject: [openbox] Fullscreen problems
In-Reply-To: <20040325133743.GA14941@mentat.prochowa>
References: <20040325123611.GA14262@mentat.prochowa> <20040325124007.GA1869@lazy.shacknet.nu> <20040325133743.GA14941@mentat.prochowa>
Message-ID: <4062FD38.7070509@sms.ed.ac.uk>

Adam Byrtek / alpha wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 01:40:07PM +0100, hungerburg wrote:
> 
>>try, in your ~/.mplayer/config
>>fstype=-above,fullscreen

For me fullscreen mplayer-1.0pre3 always leaves a 3 pixel line at the 
bottom of the screen uncovered so my desktop shows. I tried the above.

I don't have this problem in Fluxbox.


From mangosoft at comhem.se  Thu Mar 25 10:41:30 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 16:41:30 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] Fullscreen problems
In-Reply-To: <4062FD38.7070509@sms.ed.ac.uk>
References: <20040325123611.GA14262@mentat.prochowa> <20040325124007.GA1869@lazy.shacknet.nu>
 <20040325133743.GA14941@mentat.prochowa> <4062FD38.7070509@sms.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403251640340.17018@localhost>

On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, Jonathan Boler wrote:

> Adam Byrtek / alpha wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 01:40:07PM +0100, hungerburg wrote:
> > 
> >>try, in your ~/.mplayer/config
> >>fstype=-above,fullscreen
> 
> For me fullscreen mplayer-1.0pre3 always leaves a 3 pixel line at the 
> bottom of the screen uncovered so my desktop shows. I tried the above.
> 
> I don't have this problem in Fluxbox.

that's because it also sets the aspect hint, in openbox 3.1 the aspect 
makes the fullscreen window not be fullscreen, i changed it in cvs so 
aspect is ignored for windows with _NET_WM_FULLSCREEN, shouldn't break 
anything i think, yell at me otherwise.

--
Mikael Magnusson


From j.m.boler at sms.ed.ac.uk  Thu Mar 25 10:44:06 2004
From: j.m.boler at sms.ed.ac.uk (Jonathan Boler)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 15:44:06 +0000
Subject: [openbox] Fullscreen problems
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403251640340.17018@localhost>
References: <20040325123611.GA14262@mentat.prochowa> <20040325124007.GA1869@lazy.shacknet.nu> <20040325133743.GA14941@mentat.prochowa> <4062FD38.7070509@sms.ed.ac.uk> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403251640340.17018@localhost>
Message-ID: <4062FE46.4090009@sms.ed.ac.uk>

Mikael Magnusson wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, Jonathan Boler wrote:
> 
> 
>>Adam Byrtek / alpha wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 01:40:07PM +0100, hungerburg wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>try, in your ~/.mplayer/config
>>>>fstype=-above,fullscreen
>>
>>For me fullscreen mplayer-1.0pre3 always leaves a 3 pixel line at the 
>>bottom of the screen uncovered so my desktop shows. I tried the above.
>>
>>I don't have this problem in Fluxbox.
> 
> 
> that's because it also sets the aspect hint, in openbox 3.1 the aspect 
> makes the fullscreen window not be fullscreen, i changed it in cvs so 
> aspect is ignored for windows with _NET_WM_FULLSCREEN, shouldn't break 
> anything i think, yell at me otherwise.

Aha, aspect is more important than fullscreen, thx for the fix.

> 
> --
> Mikael Magnusson


From dale_d at telusplanet.net  Thu Mar 25 10:44:06 2004
From: dale_d at telusplanet.net (Dale K Dicks)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:44:06 -0700
Subject: [openbox] Fullscreen problems
In-Reply-To: <4062FD38.7070509@sms.ed.ac.uk>
References: <20040325123611.GA14262@mentat.prochowa>
	 <20040325124007.GA1869@lazy.shacknet.nu>
	 <20040325133743.GA14941@mentat.prochowa>  <4062FD38.7070509@sms.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <1080229446.10289.0.camel@linuxbox.home.bluffs.ab.ca>

It does that when you maximize any apps too in Openbox3, they never
extend the app all the way to the bottom of the screen.

Is that by design or just a bug?

On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 08:39, Jonathan Boler wrote:

> Adam Byrtek / alpha wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 01:40:07PM +0100, hungerburg wrote:
> > 
> >>try, in your ~/.mplayer/config
> >>fstype=-above,fullscreen
> 
> For me fullscreen mplayer-1.0pre3 always leaves a 3 pixel line at the 
> bottom of the screen uncovered so my desktop shows. I tried the above.
> 
> I don't have this problem in Fluxbox.

DKD
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
dale_d //at// telusplanet //dot// net
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From mangosoft at comhem.se  Thu Mar 25 10:48:50 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 16:48:50 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] Fullscreen problems
In-Reply-To: <1080229446.10289.0.camel@linuxbox.home.bluffs.ab.ca>
References: <20040325123611.GA14262@mentat.prochowa>  <20040325124007.GA1869@lazy.shacknet.nu>
  <20040325133743.GA14941@mentat.prochowa>  <4062FD38.7070509@sms.ed.ac.uk>
 <1080229446.10289.0.camel@linuxbox.home.bluffs.ab.ca>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403251648180.22430@localhost>

On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, Dale K Dicks wrote:

> It does that when you maximize any apps too in Openbox3, they never
> extend the app all the way to the bottom of the screen.
> 
> Is that by design or just a bug?

if you dont have any panels open, all windows maximize fully, except of 
course from terminals and similar programs with fixed size increments

--
Mikael Magnusson


From dale_d at telusplanet.net  Thu Mar 25 10:59:00 2004
From: dale_d at telusplanet.net (Dale K Dicks)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:59:00 -0700
Subject: [openbox] Fullscreen problems
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403251648180.22430@localhost>
References: <20040325123611.GA14262@mentat.prochowa>
	 <20040325124007.GA1869@lazy.shacknet.nu>
	 <20040325133743.GA14941@mentat.prochowa>  <4062FD38.7070509@sms.ed.ac.uk>
	 <1080229446.10289.0.camel@linuxbox.home.bluffs.ab.ca>
	 <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403251648180.22430@localhost>
Message-ID: <1080230340.10289.2.camel@linuxbox.home.bluffs.ab.ca>

Aha!  thanks - it is only terms... sorry.

On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 08:48, Mikael Magnusson wrote:

> On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, Dale K Dicks wrote:
> 
> > It does that when you maximize any apps too in Openbox3, they never
> > extend the app all the way to the bottom of the screen.
> > 
> > Is that by design or just a bug?
> 
> if you dont have any panels open, all windows maximize fully, except of 
> course from terminals and similar programs with fixed size increments
> 
> --
> Mikael Magnusson

DKD
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
dale_d //at// telusplanet //dot// net
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From dub at lazy.shacknet.nu  Thu Mar 25 12:02:16 2004
From: dub at lazy.shacknet.nu (hungerburg)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 18:02:16 +0100
Subject: [openbox] cvs changes and alt-tab window placement
In-Reply-To: <1080223469.19967.10.camel@beethoven>
References: <1080186508.2619.11.camel@beethoven> <20040325125659.GB1869@lazy.shacknet.nu> <1080223469.19967.10.camel@beethoven>
Message-ID: <20040325170215.GA3823@lazy.shacknet.nu>

On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 09:04:29AM -0500, John Russell wrote:
> 
> > the web interface at cvs.icculus.org can show coloured diffs.
> 
> This is nice, but is there anything built into CVS that lets me see the
> change history of a file?  I'm not crazy about web interfaces for
> development like this.  Thanks.

may I suggest, you read the manpage ;>
and then post the results of yr research?

hu


From drjimmy42 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 25 13:14:18 2004
From: drjimmy42 at yahoo.com (John Russell)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:14:18 -0500
Subject: [openbox] cvs changes and alt-tab window placement
In-Reply-To: <20040325170215.GA3823@lazy.shacknet.nu>
References: <1080186508.2619.11.camel@beethoven>
	 <20040325125659.GB1869@lazy.shacknet.nu>
	 <1080223469.19967.10.camel@beethoven>
	 <20040325170215.GA3823@lazy.shacknet.nu>
Message-ID: <1080238458.19967.20.camel@beethoven>

On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 18:02 +0100, hungerburg wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 09:04:29AM -0500, John Russell wrote:
> > 
> > > the web interface at cvs.icculus.org can show coloured diffs.
> > 
> > This is nice, but is there anything built into CVS that lets me see the
> > change history of a file?  I'm not crazy about web interfaces for
> > development like this.  Thanks.
> 
> may I suggest, you read the manpage ;>
> and then post the results of yr research?
> 

Yes you may suggest that.

> hu



From mattmichalowski at hotmail.com  Thu Mar 25 17:57:10 2004
From: mattmichalowski at hotmail.com (Matt Michalowski)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:57:10 +1100
Subject: [openbox] cvs changes and alt-tab window placement
Message-ID: <Sea2-F3X8PGavD6lvdW000223dd@hotmail.com>

>Perfect thanks.  BTW, do you have any idea what happened to the alt-tab
>window?  All the CVS changes you committed in the last few days seem
>fairly innocuous.  Copyright notices, the keepborder thing.  Nothing
>that would cause this change in behavior.
>
>John
>
>

You also might want to have a look at xxdiff - 
http://xxdiff.sourceforge.net/
It can be configured to ignore whitespace, do horizontal diffs, etc.. which 
might be helpful

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From Mooktakim at hotmail.com  Thu Mar 25 20:47:47 2004
From: Mooktakim at hotmail.com (Md Mooktakim Ahmed)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 01:47:47 -0000 (GMT)
Subject: pager
Message-ID: <33093.192.168.1.2.1080265667.squirrel@mooktakim.com>

I need a nice looking pager. I like kpager, it works. However i can't seem to make it
start inside the slit (just like dockapps). I was wondering is there a pager that looks
a bit like kpager and works with openbox? i tried rox-pager, bbpaper, wmpager, they
don't work.

Thank you.


----------------------------------------------------
Website: http://www.mooktakim.com
email: Mooktakim at hotmail.com


From msw at cox.net  Thu Mar 25 23:54:46 2004
From: msw at cox.net (Marc Wilson)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 20:54:46 -0800
Subject: [openbox] Fullscreen problems
In-Reply-To: <4062FE46.4090009@sms.ed.ac.uk>
References: <20040325123611.GA14262@mentat.prochowa> <20040325124007.GA1869@lazy.shacknet.nu> <20040325133743.GA14941@mentat.prochowa> <4062FD38.7070509@sms.ed.ac.uk> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403251640340.17018@localhost> <4062FE46.4090009@sms.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <20040326045446.GA16359@rei.moonkingdom.net>

On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 03:44:06PM +0000, Jonathan Boler wrote:
> Mikael Magnusson wrote:
> >that's because it also sets the aspect hint, in openbox 3.1 the aspect 
> >makes the fullscreen window not be fullscreen, i changed it in cvs so 
> >aspect is ignored for windows with _NET_WM_FULLSCREEN, shouldn't break 
> >anything i think, yell at me otherwise.
> 
> Aha, aspect is more important than fullscreen, thx for the fix.

No, he's saying he broke it, ie that fullscreen is more important than
aspect.  I can't say as I agree.

But it's not my window manager. :)

-- 
 Marc Wilson |     Don't Worry, Be Happy.  -- Meher Baba
 msw at cox.net |


From mangosoft at comhem.se  Fri Mar 26 00:09:32 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 06:09:32 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] pager
In-Reply-To: <33093.192.168.1.2.1080265667.squirrel@mooktakim.com>
References: <33093.192.168.1.2.1080265667.squirrel@mooktakim.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403260607490.11016@localhost>

On Fri, 26 Mar 2004, Md Mooktakim Ahmed wrote:

> I need a nice looking pager. I like kpager, it works. However i can't seem to make it
> start inside the slit (just like dockapps). I was wondering is there a pager that looks
> a bit like kpager and works with openbox? i tried rox-pager, bbpaper, wmpager, they
> don't work.
> 
> Thank you.

both rox-pager and bbpager work fine with openbox, i use rox-pager with 
wmswallow to put it in the dock, command like this
pager &
wmswallow -geometry 64x48 Pager&

--
Mikael Magnusson


From mangosoft at comhem.se  Fri Mar 26 00:10:50 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 06:10:50 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] Fullscreen problems
In-Reply-To: <20040326045446.GA16359@rei.moonkingdom.net>
References: <20040325123611.GA14262@mentat.prochowa> <20040325124007.GA1869@lazy.shacknet.nu>
 <20040325133743.GA14941@mentat.prochowa> <4062FD38.7070509@sms.ed.ac.uk>
 <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403251640340.17018@localhost> <4062FE46.4090009@sms.ed.ac.uk>
 <20040326045446.GA16359@rei.moonkingdom.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403260609590.11016@localhost>

On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, Marc Wilson wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 03:44:06PM +0000, Jonathan Boler wrote:
> > Mikael Magnusson wrote:
> > >that's because it also sets the aspect hint, in openbox 3.1 the aspect 
> > >makes the fullscreen window not be fullscreen, i changed it in cvs so 
> > >aspect is ignored for windows with _NET_WM_FULLSCREEN, shouldn't break 
> > >anything i think, yell at me otherwise.
> > 
> > Aha, aspect is more important than fullscreen, thx for the fix.
> 
> No, he's saying he broke it, ie that fullscreen is more important than
> aspect.  I can't say as I agree.
> 
> But it's not my window manager. :)

mplayer already shows the video in the correct size and fills the rest 
with black when it is in fullscreen mode, does any app do strange things 
if they are fullscreened ignoring the aspect?

--
Mikael Magnusson


From j.m.boler at sms.ed.ac.uk  Fri Mar 26 08:53:52 2004
From: j.m.boler at sms.ed.ac.uk (Jonathan Boler)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:53:52 +0000
Subject: [openbox] Fullscreen problems
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403260609590.11016@localhost>
References: <20040325123611.GA14262@mentat.prochowa> <20040325124007.GA1869@lazy.shacknet.nu> <20040325133743.GA14941@mentat.prochowa> <4062FD38.7070509@sms.ed.ac.uk> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403251640340.17018@localhost> <4062FE46.4090009@sms.ed.ac.uk> <20040326045446.GA16359@rei.moonkingdom.net> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403260609590.11016@localhost>
Message-ID: <406435F0.4030203@sms.ed.ac.uk>

Mikael Magnusson wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, Marc Wilson wrote:
> 
> 
>>On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 03:44:06PM +0000, Jonathan Boler wrote:
>>
>>>Mikael Magnusson wrote:
>>>
>>>>that's because it also sets the aspect hint, in openbox 3.1 the aspect 
>>>>makes the fullscreen window not be fullscreen, i changed it in cvs so 
>>>>aspect is ignored for windows with _NET_WM_FULLSCREEN, shouldn't break 
>>>>anything i think, yell at me otherwise.
>>>
>>>Aha, aspect is more important than fullscreen, thx for the fix.
>>
>>No, he's saying he broke it, ie that fullscreen is more important than
>>aspect.  I can't say as I agree.
>>
>>But it's not my window manager. :)
> 
> 
> mplayer already shows the video in the correct size and fills the rest 
> with black when it is in fullscreen mode, does any app do strange things 
> if they are fullscreened ignoring the aspect?

Not that I've ever used.


From ob-01 at thewizardstower.org  Sun Mar 28 18:59:59 2004
From: ob-01 at thewizardstower.org (Miguel Bazdresch)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 01:59:59 +0200
Subject: Trouble with dock in X 4.4
Message-ID: <20040328235959.GA9781@lordina>

Hello,

I'm unsure my problem is related to openbox. I just wanted to bring it
up here in case someone can throw some light into it.

This morning I upgraded to X 4.4 and GTK 2.4. Everything works fine
except the dock in openbox.

Normally I have three apps in the dock: gkrellm, a tiny swallowed aterm,
and rox-pager. The dock is set to bottom-left. Without touching my
.xinitrc this is what happens now:

- gkrellm gets loaded to the bottom top of the screen. It has window
  decorations (it shouldn't). Windows maximize over it (in the abscence
  of other dock apps, meaning it's not in the dock really.

- the other two dockapps correctly load into the bottom left of the
  screen and windows don't maximize over them. So the problem seems
  so far limited to gkrellm.

I've recompiled all these apps against the new libraries. I'm trying to
test with other WM without luck so far: blackbox doesn't compile with my
installed compilers, will probably try fluxbox next. I've latest stable
versions of all of them (no cvs).

-- 
Miguel Bazdresch
http://thewizardstower.org/


From rumpole at frys.com  Sun Mar 28 23:55:01 2004
From: rumpole at frys.com (brian .)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 20:55:01 -0800
Subject: [openbox] Trouble with dock in X 4.4
In-Reply-To: <20040328235959.GA9781@lordina>
References: <20040328235959.GA9781@lordina>
Message-ID: <4067AC25.4050100@frys.com>

Miguel Bazdresch wrote:

>Hello,
>
>I'm unsure my problem is related to openbox. I just wanted to bring it
>up here in case someone can throw some light into it.
>
>This morning I upgraded to X 4.4 and GTK 2.4. Everything works fine
>except the dock in openbox.
>
>Normally I have three apps in the dock: gkrellm, a tiny swallowed aterm,
>and rox-pager. The dock is set to bottom-left. Without touching my
>.xinitrc this is what happens now:
>
>- gkrellm gets loaded to the bottom top of the screen. It has window
>  decorations (it shouldn't). Windows maximize over it (in the abscence
>  of other dock apps, meaning it's not in the dock really.
>
>- the other two dockapps correctly load into the bottom left of the
>  screen and windows don't maximize over them. So the problem seems
>  so far limited to gkrellm.
>
>I've recompiled all these apps against the new libraries. I'm trying to
>test with other WM without luck so far: blackbox doesn't compile with my
>installed compilers, will probably try fluxbox next. I've latest stable
>versions of all of them (no cvs).
>
>  
>
Checking the obvious....you are using -w with gkrellm.


From floam at ascorbic.com  Mon Mar 29 00:26:11 2004
From: floam at ascorbic.com (Aaron Gyes)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 21:26:11 -0800
Subject: [openbox] Trouble with dock in X 4.4
In-Reply-To: <4067AC25.4050100@frys.com>
References: <20040328235959.GA9781@lordina>  <4067AC25.4050100@frys.com>
Message-ID: <1080537970.30938.0.camel@localhost>

This is a glib or GTK+ 2.4 problem. Gkrellm also has problems with fonts
with the new Pango.
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From ndelatorre at gmx.net  Mon Mar 29 00:43:01 2004
From: ndelatorre at gmx.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Nicol=E1s?= de la Torre)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 02:43:01 -0300
Subject: es.po correction
Message-ID: <20040329054301.GA2389@Americo>

Hello, i just updated my cvs copy of openbox and founded a spanish
translation. Anybody knows who is the author of that translation?
And... in the line where it says "Bajar al fonde" it should be "Bajar al
fondo"

Bye

Pardo


From mangosoft at comhem.se  Mon Mar 29 01:41:41 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 08:41:41 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [openbox] es.po correction
In-Reply-To: <20040329054301.GA2389@Americo>
References: <20040329054301.GA2389@Americo>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403290841360.7158@localhost>

On Mon, 29 Mar 2004, Nicol?s de la Torre wrote:

> Hello, i just updated my cvs copy of openbox and founded a spanish
> translation. Anybody knows who is the author of that translation?
> And... in the line where it says "Bajar al fonde" it should be "Bajar al
> fondo"
> 
> Bye
> 
> Pardo

https://bugzilla.icculus.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1137

--
Mikael Magnusson


From frankpoole at terra.es  Mon Mar 29 02:21:57 2004
From: frankpoole at terra.es (Miguel)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 09:21:57 +0200
Subject: [openbox] es.po correction
In-Reply-To: <20040329054301.GA2389@Americo>
References: <20040329054301.GA2389@Americo>
Message-ID: <20040329092157.326d1ae3.frankpoole@terra.es>

Nicol?s:

> Hello, i just updated my cvs copy of openbox and founded a spanish
> translation. Anybody knows who is the author of that translation?
> And... in the line where it says "Bajar al fonde" it should be "Bajar al
> fondo"

I'm the author of es.po. No line starts with "Bajar..." so, what
translation did you download?


From ob-01 at thewizardstower.org  Mon Mar 29 08:06:30 2004
From: ob-01 at thewizardstower.org (Miguel Bazdresch)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:06:30 +0200
Subject: [openbox] Trouble with dock in X 4.4
In-Reply-To: <1080537970.30938.0.camel@localhost>
References: <20040328235959.GA9781@lordina> <4067AC25.4050100@frys.com> <1080537970.30938.0.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <20040329130630.GB22301@lordina>

* Aaron Gyes <floam at ascorbic.com> [2004-03-29 12:27]:
> This is a glib or GTK+ 2.4 problem. Gkrellm also has problems with fonts
> with the new Pango.

Thanks Brian and Aaron.

Indeed, after a night's sleep I determined it to be a GTK+ 2.4 problem.
With whatever X, both flux and openbox, and GTK 2.4 it doesn't work. With
whatever X, both flux and openbox, and GTK 2.2.4 it works.

Sorry about bringing up and issue that turned out to be OT.

-- 
Miguel Bazdresch
http://thewizardstower.org/


From ndelatorre at gmx.net  Mon Mar 29 10:28:16 2004
From: ndelatorre at gmx.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Nicol=E1s?= de la Torre)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 12:28:16 -0300
Subject: [openbox] es.po correction
In-Reply-To: <20040329092157.326d1ae3.frankpoole@terra.es>
References: <20040329054301.GA2389@Americo> <20040329092157.326d1ae3.frankpoole@terra.es>
Message-ID: <20040329152816.GA1345@Americo>

You are right Miguel, sorry. It seems that i was looking a translation i
made and not yours.

Bye

Pardo

On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 09:21:57AM +0200, Miguel wrote:
> Nicol?s:
> 
> > Hello, i just updated my cvs copy of openbox and founded a spanish
> > translation. Anybody knows who is the author of that translation?
> > And... in the line where it says "Bajar al fonde" it should be "Bajar al
> > fondo"
> 
> I'm the author of es.po. No line starts with "Bajar..." so, what
> translation did you download?


