From cyrax at b0rken.dk  Sat Apr  3 11:09:23 2004
From: cyrax at b0rken.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mark_Gj=F8l?=)
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 18:09:23 +0200
Subject: [openbox] Experiencing "hangs"... Is this openbox?
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Message-ID: <20040403160923.GA26295@b0rken.dk>

Ok, when using the CVS version of openbox the hangs have disappeared
completely!
-- 
// Mark Gj?l
I find the whole business of religion profoundly interesting. But it does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take it seriously.
 - Douglas Adams
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From mangosoft at comhem.se  Sat Apr  3 11:13:17 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 18:13:17 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [openbox] Experiencing "hangs"... Is this openbox?
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On Sat, 3 Apr 2004, Mark Gj?l wrote:

> Ok, when using the CVS version of openbox the hangs have disappeared
> completely!

hooray! :)
thanks for confirming

--
Mikael Magnusson


From vindex at apartia.org  Mon Apr  5 03:16:27 2004
From: vindex at apartia.org (Louis-David Mitterrand)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 09:16:27 +0200
Subject: a happy new openbox user
Message-ID: <20040405071627.GA9312@apartia.fr>

Hello,

After a long quest and trying out several window managers (since 94:
fvwm2, icewm, gnome, kde, xfce, etc.) I finally found openbox3 reading
about it in a slashdot.org comment (at last recouping all the wasted
time ;-).

It seems my quest has now ended as openbox3 fully corresponds to my
philosophy and needs: minimalist yet functional, beautiful and
efficient. Congratulations to the team for making such a tool. My
frustration of seeing wmbiff treated as an ordinary window has also
ended, while discovering a wonderful array of dockable applets.

Here a few questions I have gathered in a month or so of daily use:

- xmms cannot be parked under the dock: for instance if the dock is
  upper-left vertical, the one cannot align xmms right under it, along
  the left window edge,

- the dock stays visible when mplayer is full screen, even if "above or
  below other windows" is selected,

- is there a setting (I searched the docs) that would open windows along
  the upper right side of the screen? 

Thanks,

-- 
I don't build computers, I'm a cooling engineer.
       -- Seymour Cray, founder of Cray Inc.


From mangosoft at comhem.se  Mon Apr  5 06:00:13 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:00:13 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [openbox] a happy new openbox user
In-Reply-To: <20040405071627.GA9312@apartia.fr>
References: <20040405071627.GA9312@apartia.fr>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404051157040.9272@localhost>

On Mon, 5 Apr 2004, Louis-David Mitterrand wrote:

> Hello,

Hi

> 
> Here a few questions I have gathered in a month or so of daily use:
> 
> - xmms cannot be parked under the dock: for instance if the dock is
>   upper-left vertical, the one cannot align xmms right under it, along
>   the left window edge,

Try using openbox for moving it, by default, alt-mouse1 moves windows but 
you can of course change that.

> - the dock stays visible when mplayer is full screen, even if "above or
>   below other windows" is selected,

put this in ~/.mplayer/config (if i recall correctly)
fs = -above,fullscreen

> - is there a setting (I searched the docs) that would open windows along
>   the upper right side of the screen? 

No, that seems like a very weird preference. Also, the upper right of a 
screen is a corner, not an edge :)

> Thanks,

You're welcome

--
Mikael Magnusson


From vindex at apartia.org  Sun Apr 11 05:02:23 2004
From: vindex at apartia.org (Louis-David Mitterrand)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 11:02:23 +0200
Subject: [openbox] a happy new openbox user
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404051157040.9272@localhost>
References: <20040405071627.GA9312@apartia.fr> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404051157040.9272@localhost>
Message-ID: <20040411090223.GA2202@apartia.fr>

On Mon, Apr 05, 2004 at 12:00:13PM +0200, Mikael Magnusson wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Apr 2004, Louis-David Mitterrand wrote:
> > Here a few questions I have gathered in a month or so of daily use:
> > 
> > - xmms cannot be parked under the dock: for instance if the dock is
> >   upper-left vertical, the one cannot align xmms right under it, along
> >   the left window edge,
> 
> Try using openbox for moving it, by default, alt-mouse1 moves windows but 
> you can of course change that.

It works.

> > - the dock stays visible when mplayer is full screen, even if "above or
> >   below other windows" is selected,
> 
> put this in ~/.mplayer/config (if i recall correctly)
> fs = -above,fullscreen

Actually it is:

fstype = -above,fullscreen

"man mplayer" has some details (shoulda checked!).

> > - is there a setting (I searched the docs) that would open windows along
> >   the upper right side of the screen? 
> 
> No, that seems like a very weird preference. Also, the upper right of a 
> screen is a corner, not an edge :)

No so weird if you run xrootconsole from the northwest corner and don't
want your windows to hide its output.

> > Thanks,
> 
> You're welcome

Thanks again. I have another question: how would you write your
.xsession to have on startup two rxvt's on the first workspace, mozilla
on the second and two more rxvt's on the third? How can one launch
programs on differents workspaces?

Cheers,

-- 
ldm at apartia.fr


From lionel.peyron at laposte.net  Sun Apr 11 05:28:28 2004
From: lionel.peyron at laposte.net (Lionel Peyron)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 11:28:28 +0200
Subject: [openbox] a happy new openbox user
In-Reply-To: <20040411090223.GA2202@apartia.fr>
References: <20040405071627.GA9312@apartia.fr> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404051157040.9272@localhost> <20040411090223.GA2202@apartia.fr>
Message-ID: <40790FBC.70602@laposte.net>

Louis-David Mitterrand a ?crit :

>On Mon, Apr 05, 2004 at 12:00:13PM +0200, Mikael Magnusson wrote:
>  
>
>>On Mon, 5 Apr 2004, Louis-David Mitterrand wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Here a few questions I have gathered in a month or so of daily use:
>>>
>>>- xmms cannot be parked under the dock: for instance if the dock is
>>>  upper-left vertical, the one cannot align xmms right under it, along
>>>  the left window edge,
>>>      
>>>
>>Try using openbox for moving it, by default, alt-mouse1 moves windows but 
>>you can of course change that.
>>    
>>
>
>It works.
>
>  
>
>>>- the dock stays visible when mplayer is full screen, even if "above or
>>>  below other windows" is selected,
>>>      
>>>
>>put this in ~/.mplayer/config (if i recall correctly)
>>fs = -above,fullscreen
>>    
>>
>
>Actually it is:
>
>fstype = -above,fullscreen
>
>"man mplayer" has some details (shoulda checked!).
>
>  
>
>>>- is there a setting (I searched the docs) that would open windows along
>>>  the upper right side of the screen? 
>>>      
>>>
>>No, that seems like a very weird preference. Also, the upper right of a 
>>screen is a corner, not an edge :)
>>    
>>
>
>No so weird if you run xrootconsole from the northwest corner and don't
>want your windows to hide its output.
>
>  
>
>>>Thanks,
>>>      
>>>
>>You're welcome
>>    
>>
>
>Thanks again. I have another question: how would you write your
>.xsession to have on startup two rxvt's on the first workspace, mozilla
>on the second and two more rxvt's on the third? How can one launch
>programs on differents workspaces?
>
>Cheers,
>
>  
>
Hi from another happy openbox user !

To launch programs on differents workspaces, I think Devil's Pie 
[http://www.burtonini.com/blog/computers/devilspie] may be the answer; 
but it's not really easy to configure :| The doc is so ... missing.

Good luck anyway.



From vindex at apartia.org  Mon Apr 12 14:16:47 2004
From: vindex at apartia.org (Louis-David Mitterrand)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:16:47 +0200
Subject: a couple nits (was Re: [openbox] a happy new openbox user)
In-Reply-To: <40790FBC.70602@laposte.net>
References: <20040405071627.GA9312@apartia.fr> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404051157040.9272@localhost> <20040411090223.GA2202@apartia.fr> <40790FBC.70602@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <20040412181647.GA7275@apartia.fr>

On Sun, Apr 11, 2004 at 11:28:28AM +0200, Lionel Peyron wrote:
> Louis-David Mitterrand a ?crit :
> >Thanks again. I have another question: how would you write your
> >.xsession to have on startup two rxvt's on the first workspace, mozilla
> >on the second and two more rxvt's on the third? How can one launch
> >programs on differents workspaces?
> >
> Hi from another happy openbox user !
> 
> To launch programs on differents workspaces, I think Devil's Pie 
> [http://www.burtonini.com/blog/computers/devilspie] may be the answer; 
> but it's not really easy to configure :| The doc is so ... missing.
> 
> Good luck anyway.

Thanks for the pointer, it seems to do what I'm looking for.


On another matter, when maximizing a window with ALT-F10 or the Maximize
menu entry, it expands only to the edge of the the dock. Why doesn't it
cover the whole screen area? 

Also the shortcut ALT-F10 should be a toggle, as in most window
managers (and MS-Windows), instead of having to use another shorcut to
restore (ALT-F5).

-- 
ldm at apartia.fr


From mangosoft at comhem.se  Mon Apr 12 14:21:45 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:21:45 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [openbox] a couple nits (was Re: [openbox] a happy new openbox
 user)
In-Reply-To: <20040412181647.GA7275@apartia.fr>
References: <20040405071627.GA9312@apartia.fr> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404051157040.9272@localhost>
 <20040411090223.GA2202@apartia.fr> <40790FBC.70602@laposte.net>
 <20040412181647.GA7275@apartia.fr>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404122021300.24376@localhost>

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, Louis-David Mitterrand wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 11, 2004 at 11:28:28AM +0200, Lionel Peyron wrote:
> > Louis-David Mitterrand a ?crit :
> > >Thanks again. I have another question: how would you write your
> > >.xsession to have on startup two rxvt's on the first workspace, mozilla
> > >on the second and two more rxvt's on the third? How can one launch
> > >programs on differents workspaces?
> > >
> > Hi from another happy openbox user !
> > 
> > To launch programs on differents workspaces, I think Devil's Pie 
> > [http://www.burtonini.com/blog/computers/devilspie] may be the answer; 
> > but it's not really easy to configure :| The doc is so ... missing.
> > 
> > Good luck anyway.
> 
> Thanks for the pointer, it seems to do what I'm looking for.
> 
> 
> On another matter, when maximizing a window with ALT-F10 or the Maximize
> menu entry, it expands only to the edge of the the dock. Why doesn't it
> cover the whole screen area? 
> 
> Also the shortcut ALT-F10 should be a toggle, as in most window
> managers (and MS-Windows), instead of having to use another shorcut to
> restore (ALT-F5).

you want the togglemaximizefull action

--
Mikael Magnusson


From vindex at apartia.org  Mon Apr 12 14:33:20 2004
From: vindex at apartia.org (Louis-David Mitterrand)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:33:20 +0200
Subject: [openbox] a couple nits (was Re: [openbox] a happy new openbox user)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404122021300.24376@localhost>
References: <20040405071627.GA9312@apartia.fr> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404051157040.9272@localhost> <20040411090223.GA2202@apartia.fr> <40790FBC.70602@laposte.net> <20040412181647.GA7275@apartia.fr> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404122021300.24376@localhost>
Message-ID: <20040412183320.GA7331@apartia.fr>

On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 08:21:45PM +0200, Mikael Magnusson wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, Louis-David Mitterrand wrote:
> > 
> > On another matter, when maximizing a window with ALT-F10 or the Maximize
> > menu entry, it expands only to the edge of the the dock. Why doesn't it
> > cover the whole screen area? 

Is this a bug?

> > Also the shortcut ALT-F10 should be a toggle, as in most window
> > managers (and MS-Windows), instead of having to use another shorcut to
> > restore (ALT-F5).
> 
> you want the togglemaximizefull action

Cool, thanks. Shouldn't it be the default? (principle of least surprise)

-- 
                      -= this .sig is not funny =-


From mangosoft at comhem.se  Mon Apr 12 14:36:11 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:36:11 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [openbox] a couple nits (was Re: [openbox] a happy new openbox
 user)
In-Reply-To: <20040412183320.GA7331@apartia.fr>
References: <20040405071627.GA9312@apartia.fr> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404051157040.9272@localhost>
 <20040411090223.GA2202@apartia.fr> <40790FBC.70602@laposte.net>
 <20040412181647.GA7275@apartia.fr> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404122021300.24376@localhost>
 <20040412183320.GA7331@apartia.fr>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404122035110.24723@localhost>

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, Louis-David Mitterrand wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 08:21:45PM +0200, Mikael Magnusson wrote:
> > On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, Louis-David Mitterrand wrote:
> > > 
> > > On another matter, when maximizing a window with ALT-F10 or the Maximize
> > > menu entry, it expands only to the edge of the the dock. Why doesn't it
> > > cover the whole screen area? 
> 
> Is this a bug?

no

> > > Also the shortcut ALT-F10 should be a toggle, as in most window
> > > managers (and MS-Windows), instead of having to use another shorcut to
> > > restore (ALT-F5).
> > 
> > you want the togglemaximizefull action
> 
> Cool, thanks. Shouldn't it be the default? (principle of least surprise)

the default config isn't really meant to be used as it is...

--
Mikael Magnusson


From vindex at apartia.org  Mon Apr 12 14:41:37 2004
From: vindex at apartia.org (Louis-David Mitterrand)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:41:37 +0200
Subject: [openbox] a couple nits (was Re: [openbox] a happy new openbox user)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404122035110.24723@localhost>
References: <20040405071627.GA9312@apartia.fr> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404051157040.9272@localhost> <20040411090223.GA2202@apartia.fr> <40790FBC.70602@laposte.net> <20040412181647.GA7275@apartia.fr> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404122021300.24376@localhost> <20040412183320.GA7331@apartia.fr> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404122035110.24723@localhost>
Message-ID: <20040412184137.GC7331@apartia.fr>

On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 08:36:11PM +0200, Mikael Magnusson wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, Louis-David Mitterrand wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 08:21:45PM +0200, Mikael Magnusson wrote:
> > > On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, Louis-David Mitterrand wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > On another matter, when maximizing a window with ALT-F10 or the Maximize
> > > > menu entry, it expands only to the edge of the the dock. Why doesn't it
> > > > cover the whole screen area? 
> > 
> > Is this a bug?
> 
> no

Then it must be a feature.

So what is the rationale behind losing part of the screen real-estate
when maximizing? 

> > > > Also the shortcut ALT-F10 should be a toggle, as in most window
> > > > managers (and MS-Windows), instead of having to use another shorcut to
> > > > restore (ALT-F5).
> > > 
> > > you want the togglemaximizefull action
> > 
> > Cool, thanks. Shouldn't it be the default? (principle of least surprise)
> 
> the default config isn't really meant to be used as it is...

I know, this is Linux after all. But there is definite coolness when 
trying out new software and things Just Work As Expected(tm).

-- 
Companies have decided that a physical body is too expensive and have
moved emplyees to brains floating in a VAT. -- AC on /.



From mangosoft at comhem.se  Mon Apr 12 14:43:25 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:43:25 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [openbox] a couple nits (was Re: [openbox] a happy new openbox
 user)
In-Reply-To: <20040412184137.GC7331@apartia.fr>
References: <20040405071627.GA9312@apartia.fr> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404051157040.9272@localhost>
 <20040411090223.GA2202@apartia.fr> <40790FBC.70602@laposte.net>
 <20040412181647.GA7275@apartia.fr> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404122021300.24376@localhost>
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 <20040412184137.GC7331@apartia.fr>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404122042270.24767@localhost>

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, Louis-David Mitterrand wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 08:36:11PM +0200, Mikael Magnusson wrote:
> > On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, Louis-David Mitterrand wrote:
> > 
> > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 08:21:45PM +0200, Mikael Magnusson wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, Louis-David Mitterrand wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > On another matter, when maximizing a window with ALT-F10 or the Maximize
> > > > > menu entry, it expands only to the edge of the the dock. Why doesn't it
> > > > > cover the whole screen area? 
> > > 
> > > Is this a bug?
> > 
> > no
> 
> Then it must be a feature.
> 
> So what is the rationale behind losing part of the screen real-estate
> when maximizing? 

the idea is that you always want docks to be visible i think

> > > > > Also the shortcut ALT-F10 should be a toggle, as in most window
> > > > > managers (and MS-Windows), instead of having to use another shorcut to
> > > > > restore (ALT-F5).
> > > > 
> > > > you want the togglemaximizefull action
> > > 
> > > Cool, thanks. Shouldn't it be the default? (principle of least surprise)
> > 
> > the default config isn't really meant to be used as it is...
> 
> I know, this is Linux after all. But there is definite coolness when 
> trying out new software and things Just Work As Expected(tm).

be sure to let me know when everyone wants the same thing :)
--
Mikael Magnusson


From jjk3 at msstate.edu  Wed Apr 14 10:20:08 2004
From: jjk3 at msstate.edu (Joel Konkle-Parker)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:20:08 -0500
Subject: How to get dock?
Message-ID: <c5jehm$5dj$1@sea.gmane.org>

I'm new to openbox, so bear with me...

I've heard something about a dock? What is it, and how do I get it?

I've attached my rc.xml.

Thanks in advance.


-- 
Joel Konkle-Parker
Webmaster  [Ballsome.com]

E-mail     [jjk3 at msstate.edu]
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From bonkie at skynet.be  Wed Apr 14 10:06:23 2004
From: bonkie at skynet.be (Stefan Vunckx)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:06:23 +0200
Subject: [openbox] How to get dock?
In-Reply-To: <c5jehm$5dj$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <c5jehm$5dj$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <200404141606.23922.bonkie@skynet.be>

You get it, when you run programs in it (like say gkrellm2 or kopete or 
whatever).

Stefan

On Wednesday 14 April 2004 16:20, Joel Konkle-Parker wrote:
> I'm new to openbox, so bear with me...
>
> I've heard something about a dock? What is it, and how do I get it?
>
> I've attached my rc.xml.
>
> Thanks in advance.


From tom at abwaerts.be  Thu Apr 15 13:57:23 2004
From: tom at abwaerts.be (Tom)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 19:57:23 +0200
Subject: Two questions...
Message-ID: <200404151957.23074@zukunft.mine.nu>

Hey ho,

As a fairly new Openbox users, I have two questions that, ehm, regularly 
come up.

First, I have heard about a dock, yet can't seem to use it. In the 
archives of this list, someone said it should just pop up when it has 
to (e.g. when running Kopete), but when I run Kopete, nothing shows
and I get its tray icon in just a new, tiny window. Am I overlooking 
something obvious? Because I do have some dockapps running properly...

Second, I'm not sure if, again, I'm overlooking something, but how would 
I be able to set the font for the menu title? The site mentions 
menu.items.font and menu.title.font, but when I adjust the proper 
values, only the menu items seem to get it right. Even when I set them 
both to the exact some font and properties, only the items change 
accordingly... Could anybody give me a clue?

In any case: thanks a lot for yet another, but definitely one of the 
best window managers out there!

Greets,
Tom


From ob-01 at thewizardstower.org  Thu Apr 15 17:22:29 2004
From: ob-01 at thewizardstower.org (Miguel Bazdresch)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 23:22:29 +0200
Subject: [openbox] Two questions...
In-Reply-To: <200404151957.23074@zukunft.mine.nu>
References: <200404151957.23074@zukunft.mine.nu>
Message-ID: <20040415212229.GD1541@lordina>

* Tom <tom at abwaerts.be> [2004-04-15 23:08]:
> Second, I'm not sure if, again, I'm overlooking something, but how would 
> I be able to set the font for the menu title? The site mentions 
> menu.items.font and menu.title.font, but when I adjust the proper 
> values, only the menu items seem to get it right. Even when I set them 
> both to the exact some font and properties, only the items change 
> accordingly... Could anybody give me a clue?

You're looking for

  menu.title.text.font:

The way I found it was inspecting the themerc file of themes that change
that particular font.

-- 
Miguel Bazdresch
http://thewizardstower.org/


From brett at custom-tech.net  Thu Apr 15 17:50:11 2004
From: brett at custom-tech.net (Brett Campbell)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:50:11 -0700
Subject: [openbox] Two questions...
In-Reply-To: <200404151957.23074@zukunft.mine.nu>
References: <200404151957.23074@zukunft.mine.nu>
Message-ID: <20040415215011.GA21415@ThinkBox>

On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 07:57:23PM +0200, Tom wrote:
> Hey ho,
> 
> As a fairly new Openbox users, I have two questions that, ehm, regularly 
> come up.
> 
> First, I have heard about a dock, yet can't seem to use it. In the 
> archives of this list, someone said it should just pop up when it has 
> to (e.g. when running Kopete), but when I run Kopete, nothing shows
> and I get its tray icon in just a new, tiny window. Am I overlooking 
> something obvious?

a flag you need to pass to the application?  some programs will run in
their own little window unless you specify an option to have the dock
"swallow" it.

> Because I do have some dockapps running properly...

then what was all that, "i can't seem to use it" talk? ;)

> Second, I'm not sure if, again, I'm overlooking something, but how would 
> I be able to set the font for the menu title? The site mentions 
> menu.items.font and menu.title.font, but when I adjust the proper 
> values, only the menu items seem to get it right. Even when I set them 
> both to the exact some font and properties, only the items change 
> accordingly... Could anybody give me a clue?
> 
> In any case: thanks a lot for yet another, but definitely one of the 
> best window managers out there!
> 
> Greets,
> Tom

-- 
[ Brett R. Campbell ]
 -> Configuration Management / Systems Administration
 -> Collaborative Agent Design Research Center
 -> California Polytechnic State University, SLO, CA
 http://www.cadrc.calpoly.edu/frameset_content/content_about_us.html


From tom at abwaerts.be  Thu Apr 15 17:58:42 2004
From: tom at abwaerts.be (Tom)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 23:58:42 +0200
Subject: [openbox] Two questions...
In-Reply-To: <20040415212229.GD1541@lordina>
References: <200404151957.23074@zukunft.mine.nu> <20040415212229.GD1541@lordina>
Message-ID: <200404152358.42197@zukunft.mine.nu>

* [Thu 15 Apr 2004 23:22] Miguel Bazdresch <ob-01 at thewizardstower.org>:

> > The site mentions menu.items.font and menu.title.font, but when I
> > adjust the proper values, only the menu items seem to get it right. 

<snip>

> You're looking for menu.title.text.font:
>
> The way I found it was inspecting the themerc file of themes that
> change that particular font.

Hm. *sighs* I guess I should've been able to think of that myself...

Thanks a lot!
Tom

PS: Maybe, then, the docs should be updated? It's merely details, of 
course, but still, I think it would be nice to be able to find answers 
to this kind of questions in the documentation...


From tom at abwaerts.be  Thu Apr 15 18:03:17 2004
From: tom at abwaerts.be (Tom)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 00:03:17 +0200
Subject: [openbox] Two questions...
In-Reply-To: <20040415215011.GA21415@ThinkBox>
References: <200404151957.23074@zukunft.mine.nu> <20040415215011.GA21415@ThinkBox>
Message-ID: <200404160003.17713@zukunft.mine.nu>

* [Thursday 15 April 2004 23:50] brett at custom-tech.net (Brett Campbell):

> > First, I have heard about a dock, yet can't seem to use it. In the
> > archives of this list, someone said it should just pop up when it
> > has to (e.g. when running Kopete), but when I run Kopete, nothing
> > shows and I get its tray icon in just a new, tiny window. Am I
> > overlooking something obvious?
>
> a flag you need to pass to the application?  some programs will run
> in their own little window unless you specify an option to have the
> dock "swallow" it.
>
> > Because I do have some dockapps running properly...
>
> then what was all that, "i can't seem to use it" talk? ;)

Well... :-) I've been using Fluxbox for quite some time in a quite 
distant past, and I remember my confusion back then, about this thing 
they called "slit". It turned out to be a dock; I've yet to find out 
why they call it a slit.

So I just figured I might be mistaking the Openbox dock that contains 
the dockapps with something else. And, of course, I could've been 
missing something, I don't know, some add-on that offers the 
functionality I'm missing. Moreover, there's a screenshot among, ehm, 
the screenshots, that contains a docked IM-client in a smaller square 
than my dockapps.

Enough babbling already; thanks for your reply!
Tom


From tom at abwaerts.be  Fri Apr 16 06:29:55 2004
From: tom at abwaerts.be (Tom)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 12:29:55 +0200
Subject: Yet another question...
Message-ID: <200404161229.55011@zukunft.mine.nu>

Hey,

Second question in two days; apologies for doubling the traffic on this 
list... ;-)

One of the reasons I like Openbox is it compliancy to certain standards. 
While I don't know a single letter of the standards it claims to be 
compliant to, I just love the intention and the devotion such a claim 
undoubtedly brings with it. It may sound ridiculous, but -- meh.

Now when I started XChat two minutes ago, it told me "Unable to set 
transparent background. You may be using a non-compliant window manager 
that is not currently supported." I just wonder (since I'm quite a 
sucker for transparency): what exactly would Openbox be "non-compliant" 
to? Put another way: how would Openbox be an obstacle for XChat to use 
transparency?

Greets,
Tom


From ob-01 at thewizardstower.org  Fri Apr 16 08:47:16 2004
From: ob-01 at thewizardstower.org (Miguel Bazdresch)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:47:16 +0200
Subject: [openbox] Yet another question...
In-Reply-To: <200404161229.55011@zukunft.mine.nu>
References: <200404161229.55011@zukunft.mine.nu>
Message-ID: <20040416124716.GB568@lordina>

* Tom <tom at abwaerts.be> [2004-04-16 14:40]:
> Now when I started XChat two minutes ago, it told me "Unable to set 
> transparent background. You may be using a non-compliant window manager 
> that is not currently supported." I just wonder (since I'm quite a 
> sucker for transparency): what exactly would Openbox be "non-compliant" 
> to? Put another way: how would Openbox be an obstacle for XChat to use 
> transparency?

I use xchat with transparency with no problems.

Ideas: make sure you compiled xchat with transparency support;
some "background changers" don't really change the root window so they
don't support transparency; i've used wmsetbg and Esetroot without
problems.

-- 
Miguel Bazdresch
http://thewizardstower.org/


From jjk3 at msstate.edu  Fri Apr 16 11:35:06 2004
From: jjk3 at msstate.edu (Joel Konkle-Parker)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:35:06 -0500
Subject: One more dock question
Message-ID: <c5orgh$ckn$1@sea.gmane.org>

Not to beat an already dangerously ill horse, but what exactly /is/ the 
dock? Is it a system tray like on the GNOME panel? Is it a panel-type 
thing in which to embed apps?

Any screenshots of it in action?


-- 
Joel Konkle-Parker
Webmaster  [Ballsome.com]

E-mail     [jjk3 at msstate.edu]



From tom at abwaerts.be  Fri Apr 16 11:05:01 2004
From: tom at abwaerts.be (Tom)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:05:01 +0200
Subject: [openbox] Yet another question...
In-Reply-To: <20040416124716.GB568@lordina>
References: <200404161229.55011@zukunft.mine.nu> <20040416124716.GB568@lordina>
Message-ID: <200404161705.02073@zukunft.mine.nu>

* [Fri 16 Apr 2004 14:47] Miguel Bazdresch <ob-01 at thewizardstower.org>:

> > Put another way: how would Openbox be an
> > obstacle for XChat to use transparency?
>
> I use xchat with transparency with no problems.
>
> Ideas: make sure you compiled xchat with transparency support;
> some "background changers" don't really change the root window so
> they don't support transparency; i've used wmsetbg and Esetroot
> without problems.

Hm. I didn't compile it myself (why would I not use the packages my 
distribution provides?), but transparency in XChat isn't a problem in 
KDE or Gnome. I don't recall the other window managers / environments 
(will check them out), but I thought it shouldn't tell me that...

Never mind,
Tom


From keeper at neo.rr.com  Fri Apr 16 11:10:52 2004
From: keeper at neo.rr.com (Michael Rasile)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:10:52 -0400
Subject: [openbox] Yet another question...
In-Reply-To: <200404161229.55011@zukunft.mine.nu>
Message-ID: <2004416111052.437664@watcher>

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 12:29:55 +0200, Tom wrote:
> Hey,
>
>
> Second question in two days; apologies for doubling the traffic on
> this list... ;-)
>
> One of the reasons I like Openbox is it compliancy to certain
> standards. While I don't know a single letter of the standards it
> claims to be compliant to, I just love the intention and the
> devotion such a claim undoubtedly brings with it. It may sound
> ridiculous, but -- meh.
>
> Now when I started XChat two minutes ago, it told me "Unable to set
> transparent background. You may be using a non-compliant window
> manager that is not currently supported." I just wonder (since I'm
> quite a sucker for transparency): what exactly would Openbox be
> "non-compliant" to? Put another way: how would Openbox be an
> obstacle for XChat to use transparency?
>
> Greets,
> Tom

I'm just curious and you probably gave this info. Sorry if I missed it, but may I ask what version of openbox are you using, ob3?

Regards,
Mike




From tom at abwaerts.be  Fri Apr 16 11:25:39 2004
From: tom at abwaerts.be (Tom)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:25:39 +0200
Subject: [openbox] Yet another question...
In-Reply-To: <2004416111052.437664@watcher>
References: <2004416111052.437664@watcher>
Message-ID: <200404161725.39801@zukunft.mine.nu>

* [Friday 16 April 2004 17:10] Michael Rasile <keeper at neo.rr.com>:

> > Now when I started XChat two minutes ago, it told me "Unable to set
> > transparent background. You may be using a non-compliant window
> > manager that is not currently supported." I just wonder (since I'm
> > quite a sucker for transparency): what exactly would Openbox be
> > "non-compliant" to? Put another way: how would Openbox be an
> > obstacle for XChat to use transparency?
> >
> > Greets,
> > Tom
>
> I'm just curious and you probably gave this info. Sorry if I missed
> it, but may I ask what version of openbox are you using, ob3?

Ehm... yes. 3.1 (Debian).

Greets,
Tom


From tom at abwaerts.be  Fri Apr 16 11:33:32 2004
From: tom at abwaerts.be (Tom)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:33:32 +0200
Subject: [openbox] Yet another question...
In-Reply-To: <200404161725.39801@zukunft.mine.nu>
References: <2004416111052.437664@watcher> <200404161725.39801@zukunft.mine.nu>
Message-ID: <200404161733.32454@zukunft.mine.nu>

* [Friday 16 April 2004 17:25] Tom <tom at abwaerts.be>:

> > > Now when I started XChat two minutes ago, it told me "Unable to
> > > set transparent background. You may be using a non-compliant
> > > window manager that is not currently supported." I just wonder
> > > (since I'm quite a sucker for transparency): what exactly would
> > > Openbox be "non-compliant" to? Put another way: how would Openbox
> > > be an obstacle for XChat to use transparency?

<snip>

> > I'm just curious and you probably gave this info. Sorry if I missed
> > it, but may I ask what version of openbox are you using, ob3?
>
> Ehm... yes. 3.1 (Debian).

Behold, tiny problem already solved... Manually setting the wallpaper 
made it disappear (previously, I'd been using the wallpaper that also 
serves as a background for my display manager and just stuck after 
having logged in). I'm sure there's an explanation for it, but I'm 
already happy I've got my transparent XChat back. :-)

Greets,
Tom


From tr at slackzone.org  Fri Apr 16 10:55:37 2004
From: tr at slackzone.org (Tim Riley)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 00:25:37 +0930
Subject: [openbox] One more dock question
In-Reply-To: <c5orgh$ckn$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <c5orgh$ckn$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <1082127337.25066.5.camel@lili.fife>

On Sat, 2004-04-17 at 01:05, Joel Konkle-Parker wrote:
> Not to beat an already dangerously ill horse, but what exactly /is/ the 
> dock? Is it a system tray like on the GNOME panel? Is it a panel-type 
> thing in which to embed apps?

OK dude the dock is for old-style dockapps, like the ones that dock
along the edge of the screen in window maker.  There are lots of them at
dockapps.org.

You can get system tray apps to appear in the dock by first running the
`docker' program, available at http://icculus.org/openbox/2/docker/.

If you can't get the dock to appear it is probably because you don't
need the darn thing.  The horse is dead.  Give me the stick.  You'll get
it back at the end of the day.

That is all.



From pch at myzel.net  Fri Apr 16 13:16:10 2004
From: pch at myzel.net (Peter Chiocchetti)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:16:10 +0200
Subject: [openbox] Yet another question...
In-Reply-To: <200404161705.02073@zukunft.mine.nu>
References: <200404161229.55011@zukunft.mine.nu> <20040416124716.GB568@lordina> <200404161705.02073@zukunft.mine.nu>
Message-ID: <20040416171610.GA6259@lazy.shacknet.nu>

On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 05:05:01PM +0200, Tom wrote:
> * [Fri 16 Apr 2004 14:47] Miguel Bazdresch <ob-01 at thewizardstower.org>:
> 
> > > Put another way: how would Openbox be an
> > > obstacle for XChat to use transparency?
> >
> > I use xchat with transparency with no problems.

now there are distributions switching to x.org xfree, will there soon be
support for "real" transparency, not just copying the wallpaper? and will
openbox handle that one?

hu


From brett at custom-tech.net  Fri Apr 16 13:26:32 2004
From: brett at custom-tech.net (Brett Campbell)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:26:32 -0700
Subject: [openbox] One more dock question
In-Reply-To: <1082127337.25066.5.camel@lili.fife>
References: <c5orgh$ckn$1@sea.gmane.org> <1082127337.25066.5.camel@lili.fife>
Message-ID: <20040416172632.GA23388@ThinkBox>

On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 12:25:37AM +0930, Tim Riley wrote:
> OK dude the dock is for old-style dockapps, like the ones that dock
> along the edge of the screen in window maker.  There are lots of them at
> dockapps.org.
> 
> You can get system tray apps to appear in the dock by first running the
> `docker' program, available at http://icculus.org/openbox/2/docker/.
> 
> If you can't get the dock to appear it is probably because you don't
> need the darn thing.  The horse is dead.  Give me the stick.  You'll get
> it back at the end of the day.
> 
> That is all.

bahahhahaha.  I love you Tim.  So i've never met you or even had a
personal conversation with you, but i've read enough of your posts to
this list to know that you're a funny-ass guy and we need to drink a
beer together.

haha,
Brett


From darge at gmx.net  Fri Apr 16 13:33:08 2004
From: darge at gmx.net (Christian Timmer)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:33:08 +0200
Subject: [openbox] Yet another question...
In-Reply-To: <20040416171610.GA6259@lazy.shacknet.nu>
References: <200404161229.55011@zukunft.mine.nu> <20040416124716.GB568@lordina> <200404161705.02073@zukunft.mine.nu> <20040416171610.GA6259@lazy.shacknet.nu>
Message-ID: <20040416173308.GA6996@darks00l.org>

On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 07:16:10PM +0200, Peter Chiocchetti wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 05:05:01PM +0200, Tom wrote:
> > * [Fri 16 Apr 2004 14:47] Miguel Bazdresch <ob-01 at thewizardstower.org>:
> > 
> > > > Put another way: how would Openbox be an
> > > > obstacle for XChat to use transparency?
> > >
> > > I use xchat with transparency with no problems.
> 
> now there are distributions switching to x.org xfree, will there soon be
> support for "real" transparency, not just copying the wallpaper? and will
> openbox handle that one?
> 
> hu
> 
> 
This depends on x.org. The guys there have to implement it first. 

..looking hopefully in the very next future...

christian



From chris at simoniac.com  Fri Apr 16 14:28:30 2004
From: chris at simoniac.com (Chris Anderson)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:28:30 -0400
Subject: [openbox] Yet another question...
In-Reply-To: <20040416171610.GA6259@lazy.shacknet.nu>
References: <200404161229.55011@zukunft.mine.nu>
	 <20040416124716.GB568@lordina> <200404161705.02073@zukunft.mine.nu>
	 <20040416171610.GA6259@lazy.shacknet.nu>
Message-ID: <1082140110.27787.4.camel@yarou>

On Fri, 2004-04-16 at 13:16, Peter Chiocchetti wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 05:05:01PM +0200, Tom wrote:
> > * [Fri 16 Apr 2004 14:47] Miguel Bazdresch <ob-01 at thewizardstower.org>:
> > 
> > > > Put another way: how would Openbox be an
> > > > obstacle for XChat to use transparency?
> > >
> > > I use xchat with transparency with no problems.
> 
> now there are distributions switching to x.org xfree, will there soon be
> support for "real" transparency, not just copying the wallpaper? and will
> openbox handle that one?
> 
> hu

Actually, if I recall correctly, X.org does NOT support "real"
transparency and/or translucency [0]. X.Org is a fork of the X 4.4
source right before the oft-discussed license change. "Xserver" is the
project implementing xcompmgr, kdrive and translucency and doesn't have
any driver acceleration (headed by keithp)[1]. The confusion mostly
stems from the fact that both projects are hosted on freedesktop.org. So
basically, when your distribution switches to "X.Org" you most likely
won't notice any big changes, just those from X 4.3 -> X 4.4. Of course
if I'm wrong please correct me.

[0] http://freedesktop.org/Software/xorg
[1] http://freedesktop.org/Software/xserver
-- 
Chris Anderson <chris at simoniac.com>



From msw at cox.net  Fri Apr 16 23:24:52 2004
From: msw at cox.net (Marc Wilson)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 20:24:52 -0700
Subject: [openbox] Yet another question...
In-Reply-To: <200404161229.55011@zukunft.mine.nu>
References: <200404161229.55011@zukunft.mine.nu>
Message-ID: <20040417032452.GA2471@rei.moonkingdom.net>

On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 12:29:55PM +0200, Tom wrote:
> Now when I started XChat two minutes ago, it told me "Unable to set 
> transparent background. You may be using a non-compliant window manager 
> that is not currently supported."

Xchat says this because it's a lame-ass application that expects to find
certain atoms on the root window, and when it doesn't, it whines about it
while blaming anyone other than itself. :)

In specific... there are two ways you can set the root pixmap.  You can
just stomp on it, or you can stomp on it and also create an atom or set of
atoms that allow an application to retrieve a copy of the pixmap without
actually having to query the server for it.

For either one, the window manager is usually utterly neutral.  What goes
on inside the client area of the window (other than for certain exceptions)
is entirely the application's problem.  It is or should not be the job of
the window manager to deal with the root pixmap.

There is a pseudo-standard for what gets set on the root window, first
promoted by xsetroot and the xv image-viewing application, and later
extended by Eterm's companion application Esetroot.  Gnome follows this
pseudo-specification, as does KDE.  Other environments that do include
Enlightenment, the window manager Eterm was created for, WindowMaker's
wmsetbg, and blackbox's bsetroot.

So.  Xchat comes along, you tell it to use pseudo-transparency, it goes
looking, it doesn't find what it wants, and it fails.  Eterm will do the
same.  An example of a better-behaved application is aterm, which tries the
second method, then falls back to the first if it needs to.

-- 
 Marc Wilson |     Tip the world over on its side and everything loose
 msw at cox.net |     will land in Los Angeles.  -- Frank Lloyd Wright


From mangosoft at comhem.se  Sat Apr 17 08:44:43 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 14:44:43 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: 3.2
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404171444090.27379@localhost>

it's out

--
Mikael Magnusson


From k-zed at hactar.net  Sat Apr 17 10:38:15 2004
From: k-zed at hactar.net (Nagy Mate)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 16:38:15 +0200
Subject: [openbox] 3.2
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404171444090.27379@localhost>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404171444090.27379@localhost>
Message-ID: <20040417143815.GA25257@arisu.hactar.net>

greetings,
On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 02:44:43PM +0200, Mikael Magnusson wrote:
>  
>  it's out
> 
> --
> Mikael Magnusson
 rolled, installed, thanks :D
 (mplayer seems to behave in exactly the same way it used to, though,
but ah well)
 the new resize options broke my blackbox reside mode patch, so here's
the updated version:
 http://hactar.net/article.php?id=604
 (directly http://hactar.net/kzed/openbox3.2-blackbox.patch)

kz
-- 
we discovered a new way to think.
use pgp :: http://hactar.net/k-zed.key


From ob-01 at thewizardstower.org  Sat Apr 17 12:21:34 2004
From: ob-01 at thewizardstower.org (Miguel Bazdresch)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 18:21:34 +0200
Subject: [openbox] 3.2
In-Reply-To: <20040417143815.GA25257@arisu.hactar.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404171444090.27379@localhost> <20040417143815.GA25257@arisu.hactar.net>
Message-ID: <20040417162134.GA403@lordina>

* Nagy Mate <k-zed at hactar.net> [2004-04-17 18:04]:
> greetings,
> On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 02:44:43PM +0200, Mikael Magnusson wrote:
> >  
> >  it's out
> > 
> > --
> > Mikael Magnusson
>  rolled, installed, thanks :D
>  (mplayer seems to behave in exactly the same way it used to, though,
> but ah well)

MPlayer is working fine here: now it covers the whole screen in
fullscreen mode, where in 3.1 there were some portions of the screen
uncovered.

-- 
Miguel Bazdresch
http://thewizardstower.org/


From greatrambo at hotmail.com  Sat Apr 17 14:10:58 2004
From: greatrambo at hotmail.com (eminem Stan)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 20:10:58 +0200
Subject: UTF-8 and bidi
Message-ID: <BAY2-F1651td8ZAATie000064a9@hotmail.com>

Hi,
I am a new user of openbox and I really love it, it's a wonderful window 
manager, it even beats xfwm4, now my second best window manager.
However, when browsing pages in mozilla that have arabic titles or editing a 
file with an arabic title the titlebar shows boxes instead of letters.

I chnged the font used in the themes to a unicode font and the letters 
showed up but without shaping or joining support and not RTL order.
It figures since you only use Xft, freetype and glib right?
I am using the new X.org server and it automatically switches to RTL when I 
switch keyboard map, or is that GTK2? Anyway all apps (GTK2.4, rox etc..) 
write and read arabic very well..
Can anything be done to fix this?

I copied this from xfwm4 this to openbox/frame.c :

#include <pango-1.0/pango.h>

and this to the Makefile :

-I/usr/lib/pango-1.0
-lpango-1.0

and it compiled perfectly but nothing changed...

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From pch at myzel.net  Sat Apr 17 15:09:35 2004
From: pch at myzel.net (Peter Chiocchetti)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 21:09:35 +0200
Subject: [openbox] UTF-8 and bidi
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F1651td8ZAATie000064a9@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY2-F1651td8ZAATie000064a9@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20040417190935.GA15379@lazy.shacknet.nu>

On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 08:10:58PM +0200, eminem Stan wrote:
> Hi,
> I copied this from xfwm4 this to openbox/frame.c :
> 
> #include <pango-1.0/pango.h>
> 
> and this to the Makefile :
> 
> -I/usr/lib/pango-1.0
> -lpango-1.0
> 
> and it compiled perfectly but nothing changed...

it will not be enough to just include the pango library; you will also
have to use it in the code.

when you browse pango.h and the files it includes, you will see lots of
declarations of function prototypes. these have to be called in the code
at the right places to make a difference in the output (and possibly
others too;) its what constitutes the API - a more friendly
documentation on how to use it is available as an extra rpm or deb
package.

regards,

p.


From k-zed at hactar.net  Sat Apr 17 15:19:53 2004
From: k-zed at hactar.net (Nagy Mate)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 21:19:53 +0200
Subject: [openbox] 3.2
In-Reply-To: <20040417162134.GA403@lordina>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404171444090.27379@localhost> <20040417143815.GA25257@arisu.hactar.net> <20040417162134.GA403@lordina>
Message-ID: <20040417191953.GA2956@arisu.hactar.net>

greetings,
> >  rolled, installed, thanks :D
> >  (mplayer seems to behave in exactly the same way it used to, though,
> > but ah well)
> 
> MPlayer is working fine here: now it covers the whole screen in
> fullscreen mode, where in 3.1 there were some portions of the screen
> uncovered.
 i tested it unpatched now, if it was my patch that made the problem
stay, but no, it's still the same. i'm using xinerama though
(1600x1200+1024x768, with an nvidia card)... maybe this is the cause?

kz
-- 
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use pgp :: http://hactar.net/k-zed.key


From msw at cox.net  Sat Apr 17 20:41:36 2004
From: msw at cox.net (Marc Wilson)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 17:41:36 -0700
Subject: [openbox] 3.2
In-Reply-To: <20040417143815.GA25257@arisu.hactar.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404171444090.27379@localhost> <20040417143815.GA25257@arisu.hactar.net>
Message-ID: <20040418004136.GB2471@rei.moonkingdom.net>

On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 04:38:15PM +0200, Nagy Mate wrote:
>  (mplayer seems to behave in exactly the same way it used to, though,
> but ah well)

Yep... mplayer still works perfectly... you've been told before that either
your build of mplayer is broken, or else you're not correctly specifying
how it's supposed to do full-screen.

The only thing Mikachu broke was aspect-ratio wrt full-screen, and I'm not
sure anyone but me cares anyway about the old behavior.

-- 
 Marc Wilson |     When you are in it up to your ears, keep your
 msw at cox.net |     mouth shut.


From k-zed at hactar.net  Sun Apr 18 03:32:10 2004
From: k-zed at hactar.net (Nagy Mate)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 09:32:10 +0200
Subject: [openbox] 3.2
In-Reply-To: <20040418004136.GB2471@rei.moonkingdom.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404171444090.27379@localhost> <20040417143815.GA25257@arisu.hactar.net> <20040418004136.GB2471@rei.moonkingdom.net>
Message-ID: <20040418073210.GA7132@arisu.hactar.net>

greetings,
On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 05:41:36PM -0700, Marc Wilson wrote:
> Yep... mplayer still works perfectly... you've been told before that either
 mplayer never worked 'perfectly' with openbox3 (the imperfection is
like being one pixel off the screen border, so it's not that bad of
course); never been told such a thing
> your build of mplayer is broken, or else you're not correctly specifying
 how can it be broken? it's not broken, i haven't specified --brokenopenbox
in configure or something. it's fairly new, too, 1.0pre3-3.3.2
> how it's supposed to do full-screen.
 pressing 'f' in mplayer? or using the ToggleMaximizeFull action? almost
the same (erroneous) behavior with the two

 got my email yet where i say i'm using xinerama and that might cause
the problem?

kz
-- 
we discovered a new way to think.
use pgp :: http://hactar.net/k-zed.key


From lionel.peyron at laposte.net  Sun Apr 18 06:11:17 2004
From: lionel.peyron at laposte.net (Lionel Peyron)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 12:11:17 +0200
Subject: [openbox] 3.2
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404171444090.27379@localhost>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404171444090.27379@localhost>
Message-ID: <40825445.6080405@laposte.net>

Mikael Magnusson a ?crit :

>it's out
>
>--
>Mikael Magnusson
>
>  
>
Hi and thanks for this release : tvtime is now on all the screen when I 
switch to the fullscreen mode, with the right black border on the top 
AND the bottom :)


From ob-01 at thewizardstower.org  Sun Apr 18 07:44:50 2004
From: ob-01 at thewizardstower.org (Miguel Bazdresch)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 13:44:50 +0200
Subject: [openbox] 3.2
In-Reply-To: <20040417191953.GA2956@arisu.hactar.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404171444090.27379@localhost> <20040417143815.GA25257@arisu.hactar.net> <20040417162134.GA403@lordina> <20040417191953.GA2956@arisu.hactar.net>
Message-ID: <20040418114450.GA405@lordina>

* Nagy Mate <k-zed at hactar.net> [2004-04-18 13:20]:
> greetings,
> > >  rolled, installed, thanks :D
> > >  (mplayer seems to behave in exactly the same way it used to, though,
> > > but ah well)
> > 
> > MPlayer is working fine here: now it covers the whole screen in
> > fullscreen mode, where in 3.1 there were some portions of the screen
> > uncovered.
>  i tested it unpatched now, if it was my patch that made the problem
> stay, but no, it's still the same. i'm using xinerama though
> (1600x1200+1024x768, with an nvidia card)... maybe this is the cause?

I'm running unpatched OB 3.2, X.Org R6.7.0, X.Org's radeon driver,
MPlayer 1.0pre3-3.3.1 with -vo xv and fstype=-above,fullscreen, no
xinerama. The exact same thing under OB 3.1 didn't fill the screen;
3.2 does.

-- 
Miguel Bazdresch
http://thewizardstower.org/


From k-zed at hactar.net  Sun Apr 18 11:22:10 2004
From: k-zed at hactar.net (Nagy Mate)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:22:10 +0200
Subject: [openbox] 3.2
In-Reply-To: <20040418114450.GA405@lordina>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404171444090.27379@localhost> <20040417143815.GA25257@arisu.hactar.net> <20040417162134.GA403@lordina> <20040417191953.GA2956@arisu.hactar.net> <20040418114450.GA405@lordina>
Message-ID: <20040418152210.GA9249@arisu.hactar.net>

greetings,
> I'm running unpatched OB 3.2, X.Org R6.7.0, X.Org's radeon driver,
> MPlayer 1.0pre3-3.3.1 with -vo xv and fstype=-above,fullscreen, no
> xinerama. The exact same thing under OB 3.1 didn't fill the screen;
> 3.2 does.
 actually it does work with -above (nothing else), but if i turn it on,
the background overrides the contents of the right monitor (so i see the
movie correctly maximized over the left monitor and nothing on the
right)

kz
-- 
we discovered a new way to think.
use pgp :: http://hactar.net/k-zed.key


From j.m.boler at sms.ed.ac.uk  Sun Apr 18 12:30:19 2004
From: j.m.boler at sms.ed.ac.uk (Jonathan Boler)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:30:19 +0100
Subject: Window Lowering Focus Problem
Message-ID: <4082AD1B.7070005@sms.ed.ac.uk>

I have a mousebind:

   <context name="Client">
     <mousebind button="Button6" action="Press">
       <action name="Lower"/>
     </mousebind>
   </context>

If I use this binding to lower a window then the focus stays with that 
window instead of the new window under the mouse pointer. I've tried 
adding a Focus action but that doesn't help.

Is there any way I can make this behave like clicking Lower on a 
titlebar behaves, ie. a newly exposed window under the mouse pointer 
receives focus ?

Thanks

Jonathan


From mangosoft at comhem.se  Sun Apr 18 12:42:02 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 18:42:02 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [openbox] Window Lowering Focus Problem
In-Reply-To: <4082AD1B.7070005@sms.ed.ac.uk>
References: <4082AD1B.7070005@sms.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404181840320.22101@localhost>

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004, Jonathan Boler wrote:

> I have a mousebind:
> 
>    <context name="Client">
>      <mousebind button="Button6" action="Press">
>        <action name="Lower"/>
>      </mousebind>
>    </context>
> 
> If I use this binding to lower a window then the focus stays with that 
> window instead of the new window under the mouse pointer. I've tried 
> adding a Focus action but that doesn't help.
> 
> Is there any way I can make this behave like clicking Lower on a 
> titlebar behaves, ie. a newly exposed window under the mouse pointer 
> receives focus ?

Put it in the frame context instead, and it should work fine. If you have 
it in the client context, the application also receives the mouse click, 
which is probably why the focus switch doesn't work as expected.

> Thanks
> 
> Jonathan
> 

--
Mikael Magnusson


From j.m.boler at sms.ed.ac.uk  Sun Apr 18 15:40:48 2004
From: j.m.boler at sms.ed.ac.uk (Jonathan Boler)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 20:40:48 +0100
Subject: [openbox] Window Lowering Focus Problem
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404181840320.22101@localhost>
References: <4082AD1B.7070005@sms.ed.ac.uk> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404181840320.22101@localhost>
Message-ID: <4082D9C0.8080505@sms.ed.ac.uk>

Mikael Magnusson wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004, Jonathan Boler wrote:
> 
> 
>>I have a mousebind:
>>
>>   <context name="Client">
>>     <mousebind button="Button6" action="Press">
>>       <action name="Lower"/>
>>     </mousebind>
>>   </context>
>>
>>If I use this binding to lower a window then the focus stays with that 
>>window instead of the new window under the mouse pointer. I've tried 
>>adding a Focus action but that doesn't help.
>>
>>Is there any way I can make this behave like clicking Lower on a 
>>titlebar behaves, ie. a newly exposed window under the mouse pointer 
>>receives focus ?
> 
> 
> Put it in the frame context instead, and it should work fine. If you have 
> it in the client context, the application also receives the mouse click, 
> which is probably why the focus switch doesn't work as expected.
> 

Ace, that works. Been annoying me for ages that has \o/.

Thanks again.

> 
>>Thanks
>>
>>Jonathan
>>
> 
> 
> --
> Mikael Magnusson


From rupshall at psasoft.com  Sun Apr 18 20:40:25 2004
From: rupshall at psasoft.com (Robert Upshall)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:40:25 -0500
Subject: GTK 2 question
Message-ID: <1082335224.4713.2.camel@ru.psasoft.com>

Hi,

This might not be the proper place but this forum is usually pretty
helpful.  I had been using OB3 with the --replace option with
gnome-session and Gnome had been taking care of GTK themes I guess.

I recently switched over to use fbpanel + ob3, I love it but now my GTK
apps look like crap.

How can I specify a theme without GNOME?





From mangosoft at comhem.se  Sun Apr 18 20:43:30 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 02:43:30 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [openbox] GTK 2 question
In-Reply-To: <1082335224.4713.2.camel@ru.psasoft.com>
References: <1082335224.4713.2.camel@ru.psasoft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404190243090.11589@localhost>

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004, Robert Upshall wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> This might not be the proper place but this forum is usually pretty
> helpful.  I had been using OB3 with the --replace option with
> gnome-session and Gnome had been taking care of GTK themes I guess.
> 
> I recently switched over to use fbpanel + ob3, I love it but now my GTK
> apps look like crap.
> 
> How can I specify a theme without GNOME?

maybe you want to be starting gnome-settings-daemon, it's in /usr/libexec 
in newer gnomes

--
Mikael Magnusson


From strauss1 at ml1.net  Sun Apr 18 23:07:53 2004
From: strauss1 at ml1.net (Joshua A Strauss)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 20:07:53 -0700
Subject: [openbox] GTK 2 question
In-Reply-To: <1082335224.4713.2.camel@ru.psasoft.com>
References: <1082335224.4713.2.camel@ru.psasoft.com>
Message-ID: <1082344073.21948.184668920@webmail.messagingengine.com>

there is a program that will switch gtk themes without the use of
gnome-settings-deamon.

http://www.muhri.net/nav.php3?node=gts

you could also edit your ~/.gtk2rc file's theme path. the changes are
trivial, just have a look;)


On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:40:25 -0500, "Robert Upshall"
<rupshall at psasoft.com> said:
> Hi,
> 
> This might not be the proper place but this forum is usually pretty
> helpful.  I had been using OB3 with the --replace option with
> gnome-session and Gnome had been taking care of GTK themes I guess.
> 
> I recently switched over to use fbpanel + ob3, I love it but now my GTK
> apps look like crap.
> 
> How can I specify a theme without GNOME?
> 
> 
> 

-- 
http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders
                          wherever you are


From mattmichalowski at hotmail.com  Sun Apr 18 23:49:12 2004
From: mattmichalowski at hotmail.com (Matt Michalowski)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:49:12 +1000
Subject: [openbox] GTK 2 question
Message-ID: <Sea2-F48AOLPteZ41nO00043052@hotmail.com>

For GTK2 it's ~/.gtkrc-2.0 - just put something like:

gtk-font-name = "Trebuchet MS 10"
gtk-theme-name = "Industrial"

in it.

>From: "Joshua A Strauss" <strauss1 at ml1.net>
>Reply-To: openbox at icculus.org
>To: openbox at icculus.org
>Subject: Re: [openbox] GTK 2 question
>Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 20:07:53 -0700
>
>there is a program that will switch gtk themes without the use of
>gnome-settings-deamon.
>
>http://www.muhri.net/nav.php3?node=gts
>
>you could also edit your ~/.gtk2rc file's theme path. the changes are
>trivial, just have a look;)
>
>
>On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:40:25 -0500, "Robert Upshall"
><rupshall at psasoft.com> said:
> > Hi,
> >
> > This might not be the proper place but this forum is usually pretty
> > helpful.  I had been using OB3 with the --replace option with
> > gnome-session and Gnome had been taking care of GTK themes I guess.
> >
> > I recently switched over to use fbpanel + ob3, I love it but now my GTK
> > apps look like crap.
> >
> > How can I specify a theme without GNOME?
> >
> >
> >
>
>--
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>                           wherever you are

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From vindex at apartia.org  Mon Apr 19 07:22:04 2004
From: vindex at apartia.org (Louis-David Mitterrand)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:22:04 +0200
Subject: window focus bug?
Message-ID: <20040419112203.GA1938@apartia.fr>

Let's say you have two xterm's side by side, one has the focus. If you
click'n'drag the xterm without the focus, it will slide under the
previously focussed one, instead of covering it.

This is with 0.3.2

-- 
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From mangosoft at comhem.se  Mon Apr 19 08:01:00 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:01:00 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [openbox] window focus bug?
In-Reply-To: <20040419112203.GA1938@apartia.fr>
References: <20040419112203.GA1938@apartia.fr>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404191400510.13250@localhost>

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004, Louis-David Mitterrand wrote:

> Let's say you have two xterm's side by side, one has the focus. If you
> click'n'drag the xterm without the focus, it will slide under the
> previously focussed one, instead of covering it.

indeed

--
Mikael Magnusson


From cyrax at b0rken.dk  Mon Apr 19 08:07:14 2004
From: cyrax at b0rken.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mark_Gj=F8l?=)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:07:14 +0200
Subject: [openbox] window focus bug?
In-Reply-To: <20040419112203.GA1938@apartia.fr>
References: <20040419112203.GA1938@apartia.fr>
Message-ID: <20040419120714.GD5216@b0rken.dk>

On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 01:22:04PM +0200, Louis-David Mitterrand wrote:
> Let's say you have two xterm's side by side, one has the focus. If you
> click'n'drag the xterm without the focus, it will slide under the
> previously focussed one, instead of covering it.

You need to define that the window should be raised if you want it so,
when dragging windows. It's a feature, not a bug! :)

-- 
// Mark Gj?l
I find the whole business of religion profoundly interesting. But it does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take it seriously.
 - Douglas Adams
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From floam at ascorbic.com  Mon Apr 19 09:30:22 2004
From: floam at ascorbic.com (Aaron Gyes)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 06:30:22 -0700
Subject: [openbox] GTK 2 question
In-Reply-To: <1082335224.4713.2.camel@ru.psasoft.com>
References: <1082335224.4713.2.camel@ru.psasoft.com>
Message-ID: <1082381422.27715.0.camel@localhost>

I've gotten best luck by adding gnome-settings-daemon to my ~/.xinitrc,
solves this and other issues.
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From john.lalla at cox.net  Mon Apr 19 09:59:11 2004
From: john.lalla at cox.net (John Lalla)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 06:59:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [openbox] GTK 2 question
In-Reply-To: <1082381422.27715.0.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <20040419135921.RIDJ5849.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@cox.net>

On 19 Apr, Aaron Gyes wrote:
> I've gotten best luck by adding gnome-settings-daemon to my ~/.xinitrc,
> solves this and other issues.
Absolutely! staring gnome-settings-daemon in ~/.xinitrc will not only
standardize your gtk settings but will also load bonobo. This will allow
gnome apps to startup much easier. You can do the same with qt libraries
to give KDE apps a "kick-start" as well, but I can't recall the exact
line to add  - I try to avoid KDE apps as they have become increasingly
bloated over time. 
-- 

John Lalla
Santa Barbara, CA

	         .~.	 _
	         /v\    -o)
no gates...     /( )\   /\\     running GNU/Linux
  no windows!   ^^^^^  _\_v        free at last!

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think we know.  The more I know, the more I know I don't know . . . "
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From drjimmy42 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 19 11:05:36 2004
From: drjimmy42 at yahoo.com (John Russell)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:05:36 -0400
Subject: [openbox] 3.2
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404171444090.27379@localhost>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404171444090.27379@localhost>
Message-ID: <1082387136.5053.22.camel@mendelssohn>

No xinerama patches this time around?

On Sat, 2004-04-17 at 08:44, Mikael Magnusson wrote:
> it's out
> 
> --
> Mikael Magnusson
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.



From mangosoft at comhem.se  Mon Apr 19 11:12:26 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:12:26 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [openbox] 3.2
In-Reply-To: <1082387136.5053.22.camel@mendelssohn>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404171444090.27379@localhost>
 <1082387136.5053.22.camel@mendelssohn>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404191711100.31420@localhost>

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004, John Russell wrote:

> No xinerama patches this time around?

no, haven't had time to look at them closely yet

-- 
Mikael Magnusson


From drjimmy42 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 19 11:22:03 2004
From: drjimmy42 at yahoo.com (John Russell)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:22:03 -0400
Subject: [openbox] 3.2
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404191711100.31420@localhost>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404171444090.27379@localhost>
	 <1082387136.5053.22.camel@mendelssohn>
	 <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404191711100.31420@localhost>
Message-ID: <1082388123.5053.26.camel@mendelssohn>

On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 11:12, Mikael Magnusson wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Apr 2004, John Russell wrote:
> 
> > No xinerama patches this time around?
> 
> no, haven't had time to look at them closely yet

Ok, cool.  Thanks for the release.  I hope that X bug is really gone.  I
haven't seen it yet though.  Nice job.


-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.



From pch at myzel.net  Mon Apr 19 11:29:37 2004
From: pch at myzel.net (Peter Chiocchetti)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:29:37 +0200
Subject: [openbox] window focus bug?
In-Reply-To: <20040419120714.GD5216@b0rken.dk>
References: <20040419112203.GA1938@apartia.fr> <20040419120714.GD5216@b0rken.dk>
Message-ID: <20040419152937.GA3500@lazy.shacknet.nu>

> > Let's say you have two xterm's side by side, one has the focus. If you
> > click'n'drag the xterm without the focus, it will slide under the
> > previously focussed one, instead of covering it.
> 
> You need to define that the window should be raised if you want it so,
> when dragging windows. It's a feature, not a bug! :)

metoo sees it as a feature :) dragging should not mess with stacking.
very useful with eg. the gimp on too small a screen (17").

if you really want to change that behaviour (it cannot be done in obconf):

in ~/.config/openbox/rc.xml
in context name="Titlebar"
in mousebind action="Drag" button="Left"
add an action name="Raise"
write the file and do "reconfigure" from the menu

hu


From vindex at apartia.org  Mon Apr 19 11:58:23 2004
From: vindex at apartia.org (Louis-David Mitterrand)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:58:23 +0200
Subject: [openbox] window focus bug?
In-Reply-To: <20040419152937.GA3500@lazy.shacknet.nu>
References: <20040419112203.GA1938@apartia.fr> <20040419120714.GD5216@b0rken.dk> <20040419152937.GA3500@lazy.shacknet.nu>
Message-ID: <20040419155823.GA17496@apartia.fr>

On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 05:29:37PM +0200, Peter Chiocchetti wrote:
> > > Let's say you have two xterm's side by side, one has the focus. If you
> > > click'n'drag the xterm without the focus, it will slide under the
> > > previously focussed one, instead of covering it.
> > 
> > You need to define that the window should be raised if you want it so,
> > when dragging windows. It's a feature, not a bug! :)
> 
> metoo sees it as a feature :) dragging should not mess with stacking.
> very useful with eg. the gimp on too small a screen (17").

I agree, just wasn't used to that behavior and wanted to check. It makes
sense.

> if you really want to change that behaviour (it cannot be done in obconf):
> 
> in ~/.config/openbox/rc.xml
> in context name="Titlebar"
> in mousebind action="Drag" button="Left"
> add an action name="Raise"
> write the file and do "reconfigure" from the menu

Understood, thanks for the explanation and config.

Cheers,

-- 
"Perl Guy and Executive Glue Sniffer"
										(stolen from Aaron Sherman's .sig)


From Mooktakim at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 19 12:26:46 2004
From: Mooktakim at hotmail.com (Md Mooktakim Ahmed)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:26:46 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [openbox] GTK 2 question
In-Reply-To: <20040419135921.RIDJ5849.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@cox.net>
References: <1082381422.27715.0.camel@localhost>
    <20040419135921.RIDJ5849.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@cox.net>
Message-ID: <33074.192.168.1.2.1082392006.squirrel@mooktakim.com>


I just tried running gnome-settings-daemon and it totally b0rked my fonts in gaim. It
was HUGE.

Anyway, gaim and other gtk apps run fine, along with QT apps, which i prefer more then GTK.

Also, if ayone knows the "kick-start" for kde apps, please let me know :)

> On 19 Apr, Aaron Gyes wrote:
>> I've gotten best luck by adding gnome-settings-daemon to my ~/.xinitrc,
>> solves this and other issues.
> Absolutely! staring gnome-settings-daemon in ~/.xinitrc will not only
> standardize your gtk settings but will also load bonobo. This will allow
> gnome apps to startup much easier. You can do the same with qt libraries
> to give KDE apps a "kick-start" as well, but I can't recall the exact
> line to add  - I try to avoid KDE apps as they have become increasingly
> bloated over time.
> --
>
> John Lalla
> Santa Barbara, CA
>
> 	         .~.	 _
> 	         /v\    -o)
> no gates...     /( )\   /\\     running GNU/Linux
>   no windows!   ^^^^^  _\_v        free at last!
>
> "Our capacity for understanding is inversely proportional to how much we
> think we know.  The more I know, the more I know I don't know . . . "


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From mangosoft at comhem.se  Mon Apr 19 12:34:52 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:34:52 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [openbox] GTK 2 question
In-Reply-To: <33074.192.168.1.2.1082392006.squirrel@mooktakim.com>
References: <1082381422.27715.0.camel@localhost>   
 <20040419135921.RIDJ5849.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@cox.net>
 <33074.192.168.1.2.1082392006.squirrel@mooktakim.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404191833300.4264@localhost>

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004, Md Mooktakim Ahmed wrote:

> I just tried running gnome-settings-daemon and it totally b0rked my fonts in gaim. It
> was HUGE.

you have to actually set all settings in gnome-control-center or manually 
in gconf for that to work right.

> Anyway, gaim and other gtk apps run fine, along with QT apps, which i prefer more then GTK.
> 
> Also, if ayone knows the "kick-start" for kde apps, please let me know :)

I believe it might be kdeinit.
also, don't top post, especially when there is already a previous reply 
which was posted properly.

--
Mikael Magnusson


From rupshall at psasoft.com  Mon Apr 19 12:44:07 2004
From: rupshall at psasoft.com (Robert Upshall)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:44:07 -0500
Subject: [openbox] GTK 2 question
In-Reply-To: <Sea2-F48AOLPteZ41nO00043052@hotmail.com>
References: <Sea2-F48AOLPteZ41nO00043052@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <1082393046.9771.4.camel@ru.psasoft.com>

On Sun, 2004-04-18 at 22:49, Matt Michalowski wrote:
> For GTK2 it's ~/.gtkrc-2.0 - just put something like:
> 
> gtk-font-name = "Trebuchet MS 10"
> gtk-theme-name = "Industrial"
> 
> in it.

Thanks this is exactly what I was looking for, working just like I want
it now.

The gnome-settings-daemon would have been another dependency/piece I
would need to mess with.  I'm trying to get Openbox as standalone as
possible.  Have it down to 2 lines in my .xinitrc now ... 

fbpanel & 
exec openbox 

nice and clean ;)



> 
> >From: "Joshua A Strauss" <strauss1 at ml1.net>
> >Reply-To: openbox at icculus.org
> >To: openbox at icculus.org
> >Subject: Re: [openbox] GTK 2 question
> >Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 20:07:53 -0700
> >
> >there is a program that will switch gtk themes without the use of
> >gnome-settings-deamon.
> >
> >http://www.muhri.net/nav.php3?node=gts
> >
> >you could also edit your ~/.gtk2rc file's theme path. the changes are
> >trivial, just have a look;)
> >
> >
> >On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:40:25 -0500, "Robert Upshall"
> ><rupshall at psasoft.com> said:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > This might not be the proper place but this forum is usually pretty
> > > helpful.  I had been using OB3 with the --replace option with
> > > gnome-session and Gnome had been taking care of GTK themes I guess.
> > >
> > > I recently switched over to use fbpanel + ob3, I love it but now my GTK
> > > apps look like crap.
> > >
> > > How can I specify a theme without GNOME?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >--
> >http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders
> >                           wherever you are
> 
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From mato at kotelna.sk  Mon Apr 19 17:37:27 2004
From: mato at kotelna.sk (Martin Lucina)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 23:37:27 +0200
Subject: [openbox] GTK 2 question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404191833300.4264@localhost>
References: <1082381422.27715.0.camel@localhost> <20040419135921.RIDJ5849.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@cox.net> <33074.192.168.1.2.1082392006.squirrel@mooktakim.com> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404191833300.4264@localhost>
Message-ID: <20040419213727.GA24838@kotelna.sk>

Hi,

mangosoft at comhem.se said:
> > I just tried running gnome-settings-daemon and it totally b0rked my fonts in gaim. It
> > was HUGE.
> 
> you have to actually set all settings in gnome-control-center or manually 
> in gconf for that to work right.

I have a question related to this thread. Is there a way to do for
Qt/KDE applications what one can do for GTK2/GNOME apps with .gtkrc-2.0?

I'd like to be able to set all Qt applications to use certain fonts (at
least for the UI) without having to start a whole bunch of KDE cruft.
Much googling didn't reveal anything, so maybe someone here knows what
the magic trick is?

Thanks,

-mato


From msw at cox.net  Mon Apr 19 17:49:46 2004
From: msw at cox.net (Marc Wilson)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:49:46 -0700
Subject: [openbox] GTK 2 question
In-Reply-To: <20040419213727.GA24838@kotelna.sk>
References: <1082381422.27715.0.camel@localhost> <20040419135921.RIDJ5849.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@cox.net> <33074.192.168.1.2.1082392006.squirrel@mooktakim.com> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404191833300.4264@localhost> <20040419213727.GA24838@kotelna.sk>
Message-ID: <20040419214946.GI2471@rei.moonkingdom.net>

On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 11:37:27PM +0200, Martin Lucina wrote:
> I'd like to be able to set all Qt applications to use certain fonts (at
> least for the UI) without having to start a whole bunch of KDE cruft.
> Much googling didn't reveal anything, so maybe someone here knows what
> the magic trick is?

Sure.  Use qtconfig, let it mangle your ~/.qt directory into the form you
want.

-- 
 Marc Wilson |     Doubt isn't the opposite of faith; it is an element
 msw at cox.net |     of faith.  -- Paul Tillich, German theologian.


From dakor at tampabay.rr.com  Tue Apr 20 16:17:35 2004
From: dakor at tampabay.rr.com (Dan Spector)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:17:35 -0400
Subject: 1 pixal boarder
Message-ID: <1082492255.1409.6.camel@ArchBox.tampabay.rr.com>

I understand in the newest release you can get rid of the one pixal
boarder when you toggle the Decorations but i need the correct Syntax
right now im trying 

  </keybind>
 <keybind key="A-z">
<action name="toggledecorations"/><keepboarder>no<keepborder></action>


but doesnt work can someone help? thanks

-Dan



From mangosoft at comhem.se  Tue Apr 20 16:24:55 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:24:55 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [openbox] 1 pixal boarder
In-Reply-To: <1082492255.1409.6.camel@ArchBox.tampabay.rr.com>
References: <1082492255.1409.6.camel@ArchBox.tampabay.rr.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404202224350.29083@localhost>

On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Dan Spector wrote:

> I understand in the newest release you can get rid of the one pixal
> boarder when you toggle the Decorations but i need the correct Syntax
> right now im trying 
> 
>   </keybind>
>  <keybind key="A-z">
> <action name="toggledecorations"/><keepboarder>no<keepborder></action>
> 
> 
> but doesnt work can someone help? thanks
> 
> -Dan

<theme>
  <keepBorder>no</keepBorder>
</theme>


--
Mikael Magnusson


From k-zed at hactar.net  Tue Apr 20 16:27:55 2004
From: k-zed at hactar.net (Nagy Mate)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:27:55 +0200
Subject: [openbox] 1 pixal boarder
In-Reply-To: <1082492255.1409.6.camel@ArchBox.tampabay.rr.com>
References: <1082492255.1409.6.camel@ArchBox.tampabay.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20040420202755.GA26869@arisu.hactar.net>

>  I understand in the newest release you can get rid of the one pixal
> boarder when you toggle the Decorations but i need the correct Syntax
> right now im trying 
> 
>   </keybind>
>  <keybind key="A-z">
> <action name="toggledecorations"/><keepboarder>no<keepborder></action>

 first thing i tried too; but clearly, it would've been too sane and
logical
 you have to put the setting inside <theme> for some weird reason
 like this

<theme>
 <name>kz</name>
 <titlelayout>ILMC</titlelayout>
 <keepborder>no</keepborder>
</theme>

 (if some of you insisted that it WAS something that belonged to
<theme>, how about having it in both places? ...the horror.)

kz
-- 
we discovered a new way to think.
use pgp :: http://hactar.net/k-zed.key


From dakor at tampabay.rr.com  Tue Apr 20 16:31:17 2004
From: dakor at tampabay.rr.com (Dan Spector)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:31:17 -0400
Subject: [openbox] 1 pixal boarder
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404202224350.29083@localhost>
References: <1082492255.1409.6.camel@ArchBox.tampabay.rr.com>
	 <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404202224350.29083@localhost>
Message-ID: <1082493076.1740.0.camel@ArchBox.tampabay.rr.com>

in rc.xml?
On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 16:24, Mikael Magnusson wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Dan Spector wrote:
> 
> > I understand in the newest release you can get rid of the one pixal
> > boarder when you toggle the Decorations but i need the correct Syntax
> > right now im trying 
> > 
> >   </keybind>
> >  <keybind key="A-z">
> > <action name="toggledecorations"/><keepboarder>no<keepborder></action>
> > 
> > 
> > but doesnt work can someone help? thanks
> > 
> > -Dan
> 
> <theme>
>   <keepBorder>no</keepBorder>
> </theme>
> 
> 
> --
> Mikael Magnusson



From mangosoft at comhem.se  Tue Apr 20 16:37:07 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:37:07 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [openbox] 1 pixal boarder
In-Reply-To: <20040420202755.GA26869@arisu.hactar.net>
References: <1082492255.1409.6.camel@ArchBox.tampabay.rr.com>
 <20040420202755.GA26869@arisu.hactar.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404202236450.29122@localhost>

On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Nagy Mate wrote:

> >  I understand in the newest release you can get rid of the one pixal
> > boarder when you toggle the Decorations but i need the correct Syntax
> > right now im trying 
> > 
> >   </keybind>
> >  <keybind key="A-z">
> > <action name="toggledecorations"/><keepboarder>no<keepborder></action>
> 
>  first thing i tried too; but clearly, it would've been too sane and
> logical
>  you have to put the setting inside <theme> for some weird reason
>  like this
> 
> <theme>
>  <name>kz</name>
>  <titlelayout>ILMC</titlelayout>
>  <keepborder>no</keepborder>
> </theme>
> 
>  (if some of you insisted that it WAS something that belonged to
> <theme>, how about having it in both places? ...the horror.)
> 
> kz

what section do you think it should be in then, <dock> perhaps?

--
Mikael Magnusson


From mangosoft at comhem.se  Tue Apr 20 16:39:10 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:39:10 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [openbox] 1 pixal boarder
In-Reply-To: <1082493076.1740.0.camel@ArchBox.tampabay.rr.com>
References: <1082492255.1409.6.camel@ArchBox.tampabay.rr.com> 
 <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404202224350.29083@localhost> <1082493076.1740.0.camel@ArchBox.tampabay.rr.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404202238480.29131@localhost>

On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Dan Spector wrote:

> in rc.xml?

god forbid you tried it, and dont top post

--
Mikael Magnusson


From dakor at tampabay.rr.com  Tue Apr 20 16:43:57 2004
From: dakor at tampabay.rr.com (Dan Spector)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:43:57 -0400
Subject: [openbox] 1 pixal boarder
In-Reply-To: <20040420202755.GA26869@arisu.hactar.net>
References: <1082492255.1409.6.camel@ArchBox.tampabay.rr.com>
	 <20040420202755.GA26869@arisu.hactar.net>
Message-ID: <1082493837.1988.0.camel@ArchBox.tampabay.rr.com>

nice thanks got it working :p
On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 16:27, Nagy Mate wrote:
> >  I understand in the newest release you can get rid of the one pixal
> > boarder when you toggle the Decorations but i need the correct Syntax
> > right now im trying 
> > 
> >   </keybind>
> >  <keybind key="A-z">
> > <action name="toggledecorations"/><keepboarder>no<keepborder></action>
> 
>  first thing i tried too; but clearly, it would've been too sane and
> logical
>  you have to put the setting inside <theme> for some weird reason
>  like this
> 
> <theme>
>  <name>kz</name>
>  <titlelayout>ILMC</titlelayout>
>  <keepborder>no</keepborder>
> </theme>
> 
>  (if some of you insisted that it WAS something that belonged to
> <theme>, how about having it in both places? ...the horror.)
> 
> kz



From k-zed at hactar.net  Tue Apr 20 16:48:08 2004
From: k-zed at hactar.net (Nagy Mate)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:48:08 +0200
Subject: [openbox] 1 pixal boarder
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404202236450.29122@localhost>
References: <1082492255.1409.6.camel@ArchBox.tampabay.rr.com> <20040420202755.GA26869@arisu.hactar.net> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404202236450.29122@localhost>
Message-ID: <20040420204808.GA27062@arisu.hactar.net>

greetings,
> what section do you think it should be in then, <dock> perhaps?
 no; a parameter of the <action>
 (that way for example, you could have separate actions, one that kept
the border and one that didn't?)

kz
-- 
we discovered a new way to think.
use pgp :: http://hactar.net/k-zed.key


From mangosoft at comhem.se  Tue Apr 20 17:03:08 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 23:03:08 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [openbox] 1 pixal boarder
In-Reply-To: <20040420204808.GA27062@arisu.hactar.net>
References: <1082492255.1409.6.camel@ArchBox.tampabay.rr.com>
 <20040420202755.GA26869@arisu.hactar.net> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404202236450.29122@localhost>
 <20040420204808.GA27062@arisu.hactar.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404202302410.29228@localhost>

On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Nagy Mate wrote:

> greetings,
> > what section do you think it should be in then, <dock> perhaps?
>  no; a parameter of the <action>
>  (that way for example, you could have separate actions, one that kept
> the border and one that didn't?)

no, you couldn't, not without doing insane and stupid things with the 
code.

> kz
> 

--
Mikael Magnusson


From angagon at earthlink.net  Tue Apr 20 21:05:01 2004
From: angagon at earthlink.net (angagon at earthlink.net)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:05:01 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [openbox] GTK 2 question
Message-ID: <4909242.1082509501696.JavaMail.root@grover.psp.pas.earthlink.net>

>How can I specify a theme without GNOME?

Another program that does the same thing as gtk-theme-switch, but I like better (it blocks non-GTK2 themes from appearing and automatically previews them), is available at http://plasmasturm.org/programs/gtk-chtheme/.


Matt



From alexey at remizov.pp.ru  Fri Apr 23 05:02:57 2004
From: alexey at remizov.pp.ru (Alexey Remizov)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:02:57 +0400
Subject: Russian translation of openbox
Message-ID: <c6am4v$f50$1@sea.gmane.org>

Hello.

Here is the russian translation of Openbox messages.

-- 
? ?????????. | WBR.         |
     ???????. |     Alexey.  |
----------------------------|
mailto:alexey at remizov.pp.ru |
jabber:remizov at jabber.ru    |
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From mangosoft at comhem.se  Fri Apr 23 08:54:38 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:54:38 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [openbox] Russian translation of openbox
In-Reply-To: <c6am4v$f50$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <c6am4v$f50$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404231454150.2170@localhost>

On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Alexey Remizov wrote:

> Hello.
> 
> Here is the russian translation of Openbox messages.

Thank you, added to cvs.
(you wrote translation of inkscape in the .po file, i took the liberty of 
correcting that)

--
Mikael Magnusson


From jjk3 at msstate.edu  Fri Apr 23 09:30:30 2004
From: jjk3 at msstate.edu (Joel Konkle-Parker)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:30:30 -0500
Subject: OB on themes.freshmeat.org
Message-ID: <c6b5me$n3j$1@sea.gmane.org>

Yesterday I sent freshmeat a request to add an Openbox section to their 
site. So here we go:

http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/1087/


-- 
Joel Konkle-Parker
Webmaster  [Ballsome.com]

E-mail     [jjk3 at msstate.edu]



From icedank at gmx.net  Sat Apr 24 18:47:09 2004
From: icedank at gmx.net (Andrew Kirilenko)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 01:47:09 +0300
Subject: Basic CTL implementation
Message-ID: <408AEE6D.1060105@gmx.net>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Hello!

~From my point of view openbox doesn't have VERY IMPORTANT thing at the
moment - it's impossible to control it from external application, so I
have decided to add this functionality.

Here is basic impl of the functionality (yeah, VERY basic). At the
moment it supports receiving commands through named pipe
(/tmp/openboxctl) and sending them to the handler function. I'm not sure
on the syntax, which should be used for the commans, so I have
implemented only `exit` command for now.

Instructions:

1. Get latest openbox sources (i have used 3.2, but CVS should work as well)
2. Apply patch
3. automake (only Makefile.am i affected by patch, not Makefile.in)
4. Build, install, restart
5. echo exit >/tmp/openboxctl (for the test)

That is. When I'll get more free time (probably tomorrow), I'll continue
playing with it.

PS. How can I get invitation to openbox at freenode? My IRC ident is IceD^.

Best regards,
Andrew.
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From icedank at gmx.net  Sat Apr 24 18:48:27 2004
From: icedank at gmx.net (Andrew Kirilenko)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 01:48:27 +0300
Subject: [openbox] Basic CTL implementation
In-Reply-To: <408AEE6D.1060105@gmx.net>
References: <408AEE6D.1060105@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <408AEEBB.3030405@gmx.net>

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Damn! Forgot about attachment :)

Andrew Kirilenko wrote:
| Hello!
|
| ~From my point of view openbox doesn't have VERY IMPORTANT thing at the
| moment - it's impossible to control it from external application, so I
| have decided to add this functionality.
|
| Here is basic impl of the functionality (yeah, VERY basic). At the
| moment it supports receiving commands through named pipe
| (/tmp/openboxctl) and sending them to the handler function. I'm not sure
| on the syntax, which should be used for the commans, so I have
| implemented only `exit` command for now.
|
| Instructions:
|
| 1. Get latest openbox sources (i have used 3.2, but CVS should work as
| well)
| 2. Apply patch
| 3. automake (only Makefile.am i affected by patch, not Makefile.in)
| 4. Build, install, restart
| 5. echo exit >/tmp/openboxctl (for the test)
|
| That is. When I'll get more free time (probably tomorrow), I'll continue
| playing with it.
|
| PS. How can I get invitation to openbox at freenode? My IRC ident is IceD^.
|
| Best regards,
| Andrew.
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From brett at custom-tech.net  Sat Apr 24 19:01:29 2004
From: brett at custom-tech.net (Brett Campbell)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 16:01:29 -0700
Subject: [openbox] OB on themes.freshmeat.org
In-Reply-To: <c6b5me$n3j$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <c6b5me$n3j$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <20040424230129.GA10532@ThinkBox>

Matt, you've got a few nice OB themes... wanna start off the collection
on freshmeat? :)

-Brett

On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 08:30:30AM -0500, Joel Konkle-Parker wrote:
> Yesterday I sent freshmeat a request to add an Openbox section to their 
> site. So here we go:
> 
> http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/1087/

-- 
[ Brett R. Campbell ]
 -> Configuration Management / Systems Administration
 -> Collaborative Agent Design Research Center
 -> California Polytechnic State University, SLO, CA
 http://www.cadrc.calpoly.edu/frameset_content/content_about_us.html


From mangosoft at comhem.se  Sat Apr 24 19:18:42 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 01:18:42 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [openbox] Basic CTL implementation
In-Reply-To: <408AEE6D.1060105@gmx.net>
References: <408AEE6D.1060105@gmx.net>
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the channel is on oftc, not freenode

--
Mikael Magnusson


From mgraybosch at starbreaker.net  Sat Apr 24 19:36:46 2004
From: mgraybosch at starbreaker.net (Matthew Graybosch)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 19:36:46 -0400
Subject: [openbox] OB on themes.freshmeat.org
In-Reply-To: <20040424230129.GA10532@ThinkBox>
References: <c6b5me$n3j$1@sea.gmane.org>  <20040424230129.GA10532@ThinkBox>
Message-ID: <1082849806.7237.8.camel@christabel>

On Sat, 2004-04-24 at 19:01, Brett Campbell wrote:
> Matt, you've got a few nice OB themes... wanna start off the collection
> on freshmeat? :)

Sure. I'll make the arrangements tomorrow. BTW, the
"matthew at starbreaker.net" account no longer exists. Blame the spammers.
:)

-- 
Matthew Graybosch
http://www.starbreaker.net - bigger than life and louder than hell

"Why should I care about an invisible God when I have a living,
breathing woman to love and worship? I need no church; a bed will do."



From alexey at remizov.pp.ru  Mon Apr 26 03:26:41 2004
From: alexey at remizov.pp.ru (Alexey Remizov)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:26:41 +0400
Subject: Russian translation of obconf
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Mikael Magnusson wrote:

> Thank you, added to cvs.
> (you wrote translation of inkscape in the .po file, i took the liberty of 
> correcting that)
I'm sorry. It was wrong copy/paste. :)

Here is the translation of ObConf.

-- 
? ?????????. | WBR.         |
     ???????. |     Alexey.  |
----------------------------|
mailto:alexey at remizov.pp.ru |
jabber:remizov at jabber.ru    |
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From tr at slackzone.org  Mon Apr 26 03:06:16 2004
From: tr at slackzone.org (Tim Riley)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 16:36:16 +0930
Subject: [openbox] Russian translation of obconf
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On Mon, 2004-04-26 at 16:56, Alexey Remizov wrote:
> Mikael Magnusson wrote:
> 
> > Thank you, added to cvs.
> > (you wrote translation of inkscape in the .po file, i took the liberty of 
> > correcting that)
> I'm sorry. It was wrong copy/paste. :)
> 
> Here is the translation of ObConf.

Thanks champ.  Hopefully I will be able to make another release of
obconf in the not so distand future.  I'll include the Russian
translation then.

- Tim




From kavid at iespana.es  Thu Apr 29 14:08:24 2004
From: kavid at iespana.es (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?David_Maj=E0_Mart=EDnez?=)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:08:24 +0200
Subject: Catalan translation of openbox
Message-ID: <40914498.5020600@iespana.es>

Hello, I make a Catalan translation of openbox.
I think this is the right place to send the translation, if no ,say me 
where I send the translation. For any problem e-mail me. thanks
-- 
David Maj? Mart?nez
kavid at iespana.es
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From ms419 at freezone.co.uk  Thu Apr 29 22:16:44 2004
From: ms419 at freezone.co.uk (ms419 at freezone.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:16:44 -0700
Subject: Tear Off Menus
Message-ID: <6CD5C584-9A4C-11D8-B6A9-000A95C71776@freezone.co.uk>

I'm liking Openbox a lot ... But I liked the ability in Blackbox to 
tear off menus. Is this gone in Openbox?

Thanks,

Jack



From msw at cox.net  Thu Apr 29 23:27:23 2004
From: msw at cox.net (Marc Wilson)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:27:23 -0700
Subject: [openbox] Tear Off Menus
In-Reply-To: <6CD5C584-9A4C-11D8-B6A9-000A95C71776@freezone.co.uk>
References: <6CD5C584-9A4C-11D8-B6A9-000A95C71776@freezone.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20040430032723.GP2471@rei.moonkingdom.net>

On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 07:16:44PM -0700, ms419 at freezone.co.uk wrote:
> I'm liking Openbox a lot ... But I liked the ability in Blackbox to 
> tear off menus. Is this gone in Openbox?

Openbox 3.x is a new codebase, not a fork of blackbox.  It never had
tear-off menus.

-- 
 Marc Wilson |     Envy, n.: Wishing you'd been born with an unfair
 msw at cox.net |     advantage, instead of having to try and acquire one.


From brad_stephenssmith at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 30 00:52:52 2004
From: brad_stephenssmith at yahoo.com (Brad Smith)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:52:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Problem with gnome-panel and openbox
Message-ID: <20040430045253.29898.qmail@web50510.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,

I used to run openbox under rh9 and had a really nice setup. My xinitrc started openbox,
gnome-panel, a chbg and that's about it. It was very nice and very fast. Since I upgraded to
Fedora and the newer version of Gnome that came with it, I've been having some strange problems,
though.

If I have openbox and gnome-panel in my xinitrc, the windowlist applet dies as soon as the panel
loads with:

The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_WindowListApplet"
Details: Unknown CORBA exception id: 'IDL:omg.org/CORBA/COMM_FAILURE:1.0'

However, if I take gnome-panel out of my xinitrc and then start it manually after the fact,
everything works fine. Likewise if I start a full gnome-session and run openbox --replcae
everything works fine. 

Anyone have any idea what the problem might be? I'm running 3.2, but have had the same problem
with 3.0 and 2.3.

--Brad


From mangosoft at comhem.se  Fri Apr 30 17:41:42 2004
From: mangosoft at comhem.se (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 23:41:42 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: the funny freeze bug returns
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404302336540.26404@localhost>

so it's not quite gone yet, but it doesn't happen randomly in 3.2 like it 
did in 3.1, the only place i have managed to reproduce it is with xmms, 
and slightly modified too, what i'm wondering is if anyone would like to 
confirm the freeze, the address for the patch (also attached) to xmms is
http://mikachu.ath.cx/xmms-netwm-enable.patch
it should apply to 1.2.10 i think, after you install, open the playlist 
and double click it's titlebar (save stuff first). i don't think this is a 
bug in openbox or xmms since X continues to be "frozen" after they are 
both killed.

--
Mikael Magnusson
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Index: xmms/equalizer.c
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/xmms/xmms/equalizer.c,v
retrieving revision 1.39
diff -p -d -u -r1.39 equalizer.c
--- xmms/equalizer.c	9 Dec 2003 23:04:08 -0000	1.39
+++ xmms/equalizer.c	30 Apr 2004 21:29:02 -0000
@@ -331,7 +331,7 @@ void equalizerwin_press(GtkWidget * widg
 	    ((cfg.easy_move || cfg.equalizer_shaded || event->y < 14) &&
 	     !inside_sensitive_widgets(event->x, event->y)))
 	{
-		if (0 && hint_move_resize_available())
+		if (hint_move_resize_available())
 		{
 			hint_move_resize(equalizerwin, event->x_root,
 					 event->y_root, TRUE);
Index: xmms/hints.c
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/xmms/xmms/hints.c,v
retrieving revision 1.16
diff -p -d -u -r1.16 hints.c
--- xmms/hints.c	13 Feb 2004 01:47:02 -0000	1.16
+++ xmms/hints.c	30 Apr 2004 21:29:03 -0000
@@ -94,7 +94,7 @@ void hint_set_sticky(gboolean sticky)
 
 gboolean hint_move_resize_available(void)
 {
-	return 0;
+	return 1;
 }
 
 void hint_move_resize(GtkWidget *window, int x, int y, gboolean move)
Index: xmms/main.c
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/xmms/xmms/main.c,v
retrieving revision 1.155
diff -p -d -u -r1.155 main.c
--- xmms/main.c	21 Mar 2004 16:41:56 -0000	1.155
+++ xmms/main.c	30 Apr 2004 21:29:04 -0000
@@ -1265,7 +1265,7 @@ void mainwin_press(GtkWidget * widget, G
 	    !inside_sensitive_widgets(event->x, event->y) &&
 	    (cfg.easy_move || event->y < 14))
 	{
-		if (0 && hint_move_resize_available())
+		if (hint_move_resize_available())
 		{
 			hint_move_resize(mainwin, event->x_root,
 					 event->y_root, TRUE);


